Dan Waters
dwaters at usinternet.com
Wed Feb 10 13:05:31 CST 2010
Max had all the functionality in a single form, which I liked. That way a developer can just include it in any access file! This won't be commercial - when it's done I'll turn it over to Access D for 'ownership'. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET Hi Dan -- I didn't know. Please do it. What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within Access Developer Assistant add-in - just a "Proof Of Concept". And it will need .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system. Not all MS Access developers will want to have it on their systems. Or do you plan to make a commercial version of "Eat Bloat"? Then I will not make its "lightweight" version within Access Developer Assistant. Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:26 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET Hi Shamil, Several months ago I started rewriting the Eat Bloat form from Max. I got about 70% done and had to stop due to workload. But I can now get this done in the next few days. Let me suggest that you hold off on Eat Bloat for now. If what I do is something you still want to incorporate, then by all means please do. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET Thank you, William, I will try to make a sample "Access Developer Assistant Add-in" using "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" with: - Decompile and - "Eat bloat" functionality available next week... -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:40 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET ...yeehah!!!!!! :))))))) ...need a beta tester? ...I'm available :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:16 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET > William, > > Yes, no one can be sure about anything these days - that's a living > "context" all around the world AFAICS... > > OK, I will make EatBloat.NET prototype within Access Developer Assistant > Add-in with all credits to Max - OK Max? > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:23 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET > > Shamil > > ...no one can be sure about anything here these days ...but that gets into > politics and economics and anything > more I'd say would be sure to piss someone off on the list, eh :) > > ...I think you've probably identified the core of EatBloat ...after the > import, I'd think you'd want to add a compact. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 AM > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET > >> William -- >> >> But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there? >> How one can be sure about that? >> >> OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText >> therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but >> just: >> >> - make backup copy of current db; >> - save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files; >> - delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules; >> - compact db; >> - load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files. >> >> (if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be >> disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run) >> >> Correct Max? >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- >> Shamil >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William >> Hindman >> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET >> >> Shamil >> >> ...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available ...we've >> hit >> >> over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just >> stopped >> >> looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked >> for > >> a >> >> 50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients have >> done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack >> time >> >> available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones >> :) >> >> ...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them, used >> to >> >> work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs out >> ...Max would have to give you the inner workings. >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET >> >>> William and Max -- >>> >>> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it) >>> >>> - Creates new mdb... >>> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports, >>> macros, modules) into this new mdb? >>> >>> What about relationships? >>> What about import/export specs? >>> What about ADPs? >>> >>> <<< >>> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from >>> multiple >>> preset configs... >>>>>> >>> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it was >>> able >>> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many as >>> one >>> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries) >>> and >>> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically" >>> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in >>> the >>> end - something like that AFAIKR... >>> >>> <<< >>> ...I may >>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me >>> ...still A2k3 bound :) >>>>>> >>> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent >>> Add-ins >>> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code >>> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of >>> what >>> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version... >>> >>> <<< >>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code >>> guru >>>>>> >>> OK >>> >>> <<< >>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for >>> the >>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with >>>>>> >>> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle >>> for >>> the next few months? >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- >>> Shamil >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William >>> Hindman >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET >>> >>> Shamil >>> >>> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC >>> was >>> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is >>> certainly >>> >>> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do >>> wonders >>> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest >>> version >>> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version >>> out >>> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement. >>> >>> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new >>> mdb >>> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but >>> I'm >>> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple >>> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I >>> do >>> one ready to be compiled into an mde. >>> >>> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site >>> it >>> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you >>> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex >>> license >>> would work in this case. >>> >>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code >>> guru >>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for >>> the >>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I >>> may >>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me >>> ...still A2k3 bound :) >>> >>> William >>> >>> <<< snip >>> >>> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4854 (20100210) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4854 (20100210) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com