Perry Harold
pharold at cfl.rr.com
Fri Jul 9 13:16:14 CDT 2010
Remember when you were in the cloud it meant you were daydreaming? Perry ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: MS WebMatrix for web development > Jim, > > You are correct of course, but the point is that the web isn't the end > all. > > When the internet connection goes down, with Thunderbird for example I can > be busily writing emails, > looking at old emails with attachments (lots of those) etc. With GMail I > can't. > > My client sends me spreadsheets with the order details. With Excel they > are stored on my local > computer and I can be working on his order. With Google Spreadsheet (what > is it called?) I can't. > > Just one of many examples. > > MAYBE someday the connection to the internet will be 100% reliable, just > NEVER go down. OTOH how > long have we been using electricity and phone. How often do those go > down. > > Yea, I am the extreme perhaps, though for businesses perhaps not. I > bought a propane powered "whole > house" generator and I have battery backup to get my computers through the > 30 seconds until the > generator fires up and kicks in. When the power (and internet) fail, I am > out of business for about > 30 seconds at night (no light) but otherwise I just go on with what I am > doing. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Hi John: >> >> There are two ends to the web... the supplier end and user end. With your >> business you fall into the supplier end. ;-) >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 7:43 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: MS WebMatrix for web development >> >> Yep. Not to mention the power outage knocking out the cable and then >> having >> no connection to the >> web. Suddenly I cannot even look at a spreadsheet, or create a word >> document? >> >> I don't think so. >> >> I run a business which uses SQL Server to do massive processing stuff. I >> run it all on my servers >> and the application I use is SS Management Server (never going web) and >> my >> own custom written C# app >> (no reason to ever go web). If I lose power, I have a generator and I >> can >> merrily continue onward >> with my work. There is just no way I would ever put this whole thing on >> the >> web, or even use a >> browser to replace the in-house desktop apps. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Drew Wutka wrote: >>> For many data centric apps, I agree that a vast majority will be moved >>> to a web interface. But I just don't see a truly web only world coming >>> along anytime soon. There are too many applications which either don't >>> fit with a web design, or simply won't work with a web design. Take a >>> home user that wants to do their budget. No way will the average user >>> stop using their own spreadsheet program, to put their personal budget >>> on the web instead. How about design software, like SolidWorks.... who >>> would that 'fit' on the web? >>> >>> I believe the web has gotten massively bigger in the last decade, and I >>> agree it will continue to get bigger, it just will never be all >>> consuming. >>> >>> Drew >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >>> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:55 PM >>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: MS WebMatrix for web development >>> >>> Most of the POS web stuff I work with is all proprietary applications. >>> You >>> would never see any of it unless you work in the particular company... >>> most >>> of it is web based or cytrix based and all connected via VPNs. >>> >>> For example, just check out your Wal-Mart casher... The app on her >>> station >>> can be changed every night and every thing sold or brought back, is >>> calibrated in virtually real time. Sales from all over the world stream >>> in >>> to some central office, in the US. (I can not remember where). This is >>> one >>> of IBM's big contracts but I have been brought in, from time to time, to >>> assist with server installs and district wide roll-outs. >>> >>> There is and always will be a place for desktop apps but their >>> importance, >>> especially among the giants of industry who want centralized control, >>> the >>> desktop is no longer used other than as a platform from which to support >>> their web or web interface apps. >>> >>> That is the way I see everything going but I could be wrong. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka >>> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:21 PM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: MS WebMatrix for web development >>> >>> I've been building web applications for quite some time. I've seen a >>> lot of change in web stuff. Just got my feet wet with an ASP.Net >>> project. >>> >>> While I partially agree, that web applications will continue to grow, >>> and more and more things will be web interfaces, I just can't see the >>> web as being an all encompassing platform. >>> >>> Let me give you an example of where web interfaces fall flat. I go to >>> the Dell website pretty frequently. I setup about 1 computer a week, on >>> average. So I use the utility on their site that gets the service tag >>> number of the new machine, to download drivers. That 'tool', takes >>> about 20 seconds to install. It then takes about 15 seconds to get the >>> service tag. I have my own VB program that gets the same info through >>> WMI, in a fraction of a second. >>> >>> The web is too open. To give it the power a local application has is >>> ludicrous. >>> >>> Just my opinion though. >>> >>> Drew >>> The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the >> person or entity >>> to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI >> Business >>> Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please >>> contact >> the sender >>> immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic >> or hard copy. >>> You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, >> dissemination, >>> or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this >>> information >> by persons >>> or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. >>> >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >