[AccessD] OT: MS WebMatrix for web development

jwcolby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Fri Jul 9 11:56:28 CDT 2010


Jim,

You are correct of course, but the point is that the web isn't the end all.

When the internet connection goes down, with Thunderbird for example I can be busily writing emails, 
looking at old emails with attachments (lots of those) etc.  With GMail I can't.

My client sends me spreadsheets with the order details.  With Excel they are stored on my local 
computer and I can be working on his order.  With Google Spreadsheet (what is it called?) I can't.

Just one of many examples.

MAYBE someday the connection to the internet will be 100% reliable, just NEVER go down.  OTOH how 
long have we been using electricity and phone.  How often do those go down.

Yea, I am the extreme perhaps, though for businesses perhaps not.  I bought a propane powered "whole 
house" generator and I have battery backup to get my computers through the 30 seconds until the 
generator fires up and kicks in.  When the power (and internet) fail, I am out of business for about 
30 seconds at night (no light) but otherwise I just go on with what I am doing.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
> 
> There are two ends to the web... the supplier end and user end. With your
> business you fall into the supplier end. ;-)
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: MS WebMatrix for web development
> 
> Yep.  Not to mention the power outage knocking out the cable and then having
> no connection to the 
> web.  Suddenly I cannot even look at a spreadsheet, or create a word
> document?
> 
> I don't think so.
> 
> I run a business which uses SQL Server to do massive processing stuff.  I
> run it all on my servers 
> and the application I use is SS Management Server (never going web) and my
> own custom written C# app 
> (no reason to ever go web).  If I lose power, I have a generator and I can
> merrily continue onward 
> with my work.  There is just no way I would ever put this whole thing on the
> web, or even use a 
> browser to replace the in-house desktop apps.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Drew Wutka wrote:
>> For many data centric apps, I agree that a vast majority will be moved
>> to a web interface.  But I just don't see a truly web only world coming
>> along anytime soon.  There are too many applications which either don't
>> fit with a web design, or simply won't work with a web design.  Take a
>> home user that wants to do their budget. No way will the average user
>> stop using their own spreadsheet program, to put their personal budget
>> on the web instead.  How about design software, like SolidWorks.... who
>> would that 'fit' on the web?
>>
>> I believe the web has gotten massively bigger in the last decade, and I
>> agree it will continue to get bigger, it just will never be all
>> consuming.
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:55 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: MS WebMatrix for web development
>>
>> Most of the POS web stuff I work with is all proprietary applications.
>> You
>> would never see any of it unless you work in the particular company...
>> most
>> of it is web based or cytrix based and all connected via VPNs.
>>
>> For example, just check out your Wal-Mart casher... The app on her
>> station
>> can be changed every night and every thing sold or brought back, is
>> calibrated in virtually real time. Sales from all over the world stream
>> in
>> to some central office, in the US. (I can not remember where). This is
>> one
>> of IBM's big contracts but I have been brought in, from time to time, to
>> assist with server installs and district wide roll-outs.
>>
>> There is and always will be a place for desktop apps but their
>> importance,
>> especially among the giants of industry who want centralized control,
>> the
>> desktop is no longer used other than as a platform from which to support
>> their web or web interface apps.
>>
>> That is the way I see everything going but I could be wrong.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>  
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:21 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: MS WebMatrix for web development
>>
>> I've been building web applications for quite some time.  I've seen a
>> lot of change in web stuff.  Just got my feet wet with an ASP.Net
>> project.
>>
>> While I partially agree, that web applications will continue to grow,
>> and more and more things will be web interfaces, I just can't see the
>> web as being an all encompassing platform.
>>
>> Let me give you an example of where web interfaces fall flat.  I go to
>> the Dell website pretty frequently.  I setup about 1 computer a week, on
>> average.  So I use the utility on their site that gets the service tag
>> number of the new machine, to download drivers.  That 'tool', takes
>> about 20 seconds to install.  It then takes about 15 seconds to get the
>> service tag.  I have my own VB program that gets the same info through
>> WMI, in a fraction of a second.
>>
>> The web is too open.  To give it the power a local application has is
>> ludicrous.
>>
>> Just my opinion though.
>>
>> Drew
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