Shamil Salakhetdinov
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
Mon Jan 17 06:40:41 CST 2011
Hi Stuart -- :-) No, it's not correct "downsizing" of my note I suppose. I just meant "there are no miracles and 'free cheese' in this world" - good end results are based on good (hard) efforts and experience, and good tools (DNN) help to get that good results quicker: NOTEPAD(.exe) is a good tool, no doubt, but in the case of modern custom CMS web application development one would loose competition armoured with just NOTEPAD(.exe), if only they are not outstanding web developers but in the latter case they do not even need a NOTEPAD(.exe), they can use iPAD to type in .CSS, .HTML, JavaScript, ... and (MS/my)SQL(/Oracle/..) SQL scripts. to draw outstanding graphics... :-) Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 17 ?????? 2011 ?. 15:16 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Joomla You could also say: NOTEPAD allows to make a web site looking unique provided a developer is good in web design and knows well HTML and CSS. :-) -- Stuart On 17 Jan 2011 at 14:30, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > Hi Jim -- > > DNN skinning allows to make a web site looking unique provided a > developer is good in web design and knows well DNN skins internals, or > one gets a unique DNN skin developed by DNN skinning profies... > > DNN's feature list starting version 5.x is looking better and better > with every new release... > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence Sent: 17 ?????? 2011 ?. 8:06 To: 'Access Developers > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Joomla > > I must admit those sites don't look like a standard DNN site... which > are horrible, in their commonality. (Just like the graphic program > Bryce... It was great graphic program but all the graphics looked like > Bryce.) > > A good list of sites. > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 6:29 PM To: 'Access > Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] > Joomla > > Hi Jim -- > > OK. :) > > I'd set them this way: > > - features; > - performance; > - appearance. > > with all three aiming "to get perfect first time" for companies with > big bucks but for others from real world getting real results maybe > not 100% but just 99.98% perfect and using DNN :) > > Here are a few samples I have in my selection list, which look > 99%-100% satisfactory for me - (not my projects - I'm not a "DNN > wizard" (yet)): > > http://www.jackandjillholidays.com > http://www.thenewdesigner.co.uk/ > http://www.edgetrainingsystems.com/ > http://camt.artsnet.org > http://www.wilmingtonnc.gov > http://www.croatiaairlines.com/ > http://www.reachoutside.com/ > http://www.nyxdata.com/ > http://www.apronstagerestaurant.co.uk > http://www.challengerpools.com/ > http://www.dotcomsoftwaresolutions.com/ > http://www.bancodecordonivida.com/ > > Please mark the ones from the above list you might find not 99%-100% > satisfactory from your point of view - let's review them here? :) > > Some projects above are from Rick Beddie: > http://www.psdtodnn.com > > He knows all "ins and outs" of DNN and DNN skinning - I talked to him > by e-mail a few times: AFAIHGFH there are no big secrets there how to > make DNN flying - one have to be just a good web developer, and to use > one of broadly available these days rather inexpensive ASP.NET > hosting... > > Just a warning: DNN has several months-half an year or even more > learning curve for *customization* developer's work experience but to > make a good working CMS using free community edition plus a few > inexpensive commercial modules and skins doesn't need any custom > programming at all, one don't need even to be even a programmer if > they use PowerDNN or similar hosting... > > DNN also has a bit heavy codebase, yes... > > I have just recently found what could become a real DNN rival in long > run: > > Orchard CMS > http://orchardproject.net/ > > as it comes from MS guys, and it doesn't have all that "legacy burden" > DNN has got historically as its development started from ASP.NET 1.1 > AFAIK... > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence Sent: 17 ?????? 2011 ?. 4:29 To: 'Access Developers > discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Joomla > > I guess "the proof is in the pudding" as they say. I would not mind > seeing some of the websites that both DNN and Joomla have created. > > Appearance is as important as performance...just like would you be > comfortable in an Airplane that has broken seats regardless of who > designed the air craft. But the features have to be there as well. > > As I can not be an expert at everything I will have to settle on a few > core products and any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 11:44 AM To: 'Access > Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] > Joomla > > Hi All -- > > Sorry a bit off-topic - I suppose that DNN 5.x Community Edition is > the best free CMS for MS shops. > > Why goto Joomla (.PHP) path if you're an "MS fun"? :) > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav > Brock Sent: 16 ?????? 2011 ?. 20:42 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Joomla > > Hi Jim > > That depends, but if you are looking for CMS-style systems, at least > two top-notch Open Source systems for .NET exist. > > Composite C1: > http://www.composite.net/C1.aspx > > Umbraco: > http://www.umbraco.org > > They are quite different - and both different from DNN - and I haven't > had a need for either of them so I cannot advice further. > > /gustav > > > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 16-01-2011 18:01 >>> > Hi Ken: > > To be honest, I have never been able to get a client fully > self-sufficient and after 30 plus have basically given up on it. ;-) > > Joomla, like DNN may not be the product I need. So far, when building > web sites I use ASP.Net to build the mock up/lay our and then go in > and remove the extra pieces (lots and lots of extra pieces as every > possible option is code managed), while stuffing in some of my own > code. It is not a super fast construction method but it is getting > faster and it is quicker than building the whole site from scratch. > > I do not know if any other person uses this crude hack method but is > there a good pre-existing clean frame-work so I do not need to > re-invent the wheel. > > Jim > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com