[AccessD] Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC - noway?

Bryan Carbonnell carbonnb at gmail.com
Sat Sep 15 15:48:27 CDT 2012


It may be quick enough to switch from OS to OS in a matter of seconds.
It really is all a matter of what you need the setup to do.

I need to be able to work in both Windows and OSX at the same time, so
virtualization is the only way to go for me.

My work environment is Windows, and some of the apps I use regularly
are Windows only. But so of the other apps I use regularly are wither
Mac only, or are better on the Mac, so I need to be able to use both
OSes at the same time.

For others, Bootcamp with SSDs are good enough. It all depends on the
needs and what you are willing to live with.

Bryan

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:
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> Bootcamp will allow you to multi-boot the Mac. Meaning you can either
> run Mac OSX or Windows (or any other supported OS). But you can't run
> them both at the same time
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> Hi Bryan --
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> Wouldn't  using Bootcamp on a MacBook Pro as the following:
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> Apple MacBook Pro MC975RS/A with Retina display 15.4"
> (http://www.euronics.ee/tootekaart_en/47930/Computers_and_phones/Laptops/MC975RS)
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> be "lightning fast"? I mean it does have 256GB SSD and 256GB Flash Memory and 8GB (up to 16GB) RAM and so "switching to/rebooting" another OS wouldn't take more than a few seconds?
> Would it be possible to keep "ready to boot (MS Windows) OS image" in Flash memory?
> Is there such a need (to keep "ready to boot (MS Windows) OS image" in Flash memory)? - I mean haven't SSD and Flash Memory nearly the same access (memory read/write) time?
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> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:33:11 -0400 от Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com>:
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>>Which is better is entirely subjective. It all depends on what the
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> Bootcamp will allow you to multi-boot the Mac. Meaning you can either
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> run Mac OSX or Windows (or any other supported OS). But you can't run
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> them both at the same time
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> Parallels (and VMWare Fusion which is what I run on my Mac or Oracle's
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> VirtualBox) allows you to run a virtual machine version of windows on
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> top of your Max OSX. That will give you the ability to run windows and
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> Mac OSX at the same time.
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> My guess is that the Parallels route would make the most sense.
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> Hopefully this make sense.
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> Bryan
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> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
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>> If I want to run my commercial app on a Mac and recommend how to do it to
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>> clients who want to use Mac but run my app, which is better - Bootcamp or
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>> Parallels?
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>> Rocky
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
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>> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 9:44 AM
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>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: iPhone/iPad development on an MS Windows PC -
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>> noway?
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>> Hi Shamil:
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>> You can always use Bootcamp which effectively runs Windows directly on a
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>> Mac.
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>> I've got a fairly new Macbook Pro - 2.3ghz I5, 8gb ram.  I just did some
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>> quick timing tests opening an A2003 database and running a big report.  I
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>> also did the same on my older 2.66ghz Core2 Duo 4gb Windows 7 32bit box.
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>> I just counted off the time manually, so this is pretty rough. But
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>> repeatedly running the same report on Bootcamp (32 bit Windows 7), in
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>> Parallels (64 bit Windows 7) and on the Windows machine all seemed to take
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>> the same time - about 12 seconds on all versions.
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>> Psychologically at least, my experience with using all 3 approaches is that
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>> I can't tell the difference.
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>> Doug
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>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil
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>> <mcp2004 at mail.ru>wrote:
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>>> Hi All --
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>>> I do like my Windows Phone 7.5(:)) and it has a set of features, which
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>>> are good enough for me currently, I like Windows 7 and as I have
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>>> written here several times I have no any objections on new "Metro" UI
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>>> for coming Windows
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>>> 8: desktop, tablet, phone. I suppose I'm rather effective VS2010/C#/...
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>>> developer, my customers like my work...
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>>> ... but it  .... "seems that the future of Windows development is
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>>> happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don't
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>>> take issue with this other than being someone who doesn't live or work
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>>> inside a corporate environment at home..." (source: "50 Reasons to
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>>> Switch from Microsoft Windows to Apple's Mac OS X" -
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>> http://chris.pirillo.com/50-reasons-to-switch-from-microsoft-windows-to-appl
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>> es-mac-os-x/).
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>>> ..
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>>> ... IOW I do plan to start learning iPhone/iPad (and Android) custom
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>>> development really soon and I have to find what is the most effective
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>>> yet as affordable as possible combination of hardware and software to
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>>> keep both MS Windows (desktop, Phone, tablet) and iPhone/iPad and
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>>> Android development...
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>>> I suppose that getting a Mac instead of a PC is unavoidable but should
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>>> I additionally have an MS Windows driven box/laptop or running MS
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>>> Windows with Visual Studio on Mac under VMWare Fusion or Parallels is
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>>> as speedy as running MS Windows and Visual Studio on a "bare Intel
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>> processor metal"?
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>>> Does anybody here have a real life experience of MS WIndows
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>>> development on a Mac? Please advise.
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>>> FYI: Some more links on the OT subject:
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>>> A hardcore Windows guy gets a Mac
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>>> http://www.davidalison.com/2008/02/hardcore-windows-guy-switches-to-ma
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>>> c.html iPhone Development On Windows - 7 Options
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>>> http://maniacdev.com/2010/01/iphone-development-windows-options-availa
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>>> ble/
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>>> iPhone development on Windows
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>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113547/iphone-development-on-window
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>>> s
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>>> http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=537583
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>>> Thank you.
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>>> -- Shamil
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