Jim Dettman
jimdettman at verizon.net
Sat Sep 22 10:25:53 CDT 2012
Rocky, For all those questions, there's actually a nice article I found when I checked into what the entry did (and it was on EE of all places<g>): http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Microsoft_Operating_Systems/Windows/A_215 5-Keyboard-Remapping-CAPSLOCK-to-Ctrl-and-Beyond.html I recently bought a new Dell over the summer and the break key wasn't on the keyboard. Checking on-line, I see it's now a common problem. As many have noted, it's just not used much anymore. I found a post in the Dell forums referencing the registry hack, which I checked out through the EE article (I always want to make sure I understand any registry change and what it's doing before I use it). That's where I also found the program reference, but I'd rather not install software if I don't have to, so I have not tried it and used the registry hack instead. Basically, windows has a set of "virtual keys" representing all the various function and keystrokes, which hardware and BIOS mfg's map to. This registry change affects that mapping. This is happening at a very low level and if you do screw it up, you can end up making a keystroke unavailable. If it happens to be a critical one, then you'd need to use a second computer to do a remote registry change. The one posted however does work and I double checked what it's doing. The article was well worth a read because it also gets into those special function/media keys that kick off programs on your PC and how that's accomplished. <<So I went to Regedit and when I drill down to Keyboard Layout I find two more sub-folders - DosKeybCodes and DosKeybIDs. Ignore those? >> Yes. Easiest is to do the change via file. Create a new text file on your desktop (right click, new, text document) and call it "mapctrlbreaktoF10.reg" Now edit it and paste in: Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] "Scancode Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,46,e0,44,00,00,00,00,00 and save. Double click and you'll be asked if it's OK to import. Click OK and then reboot. You should now find that F10 gives you a break. A small caution on doing the above; you need to check for that registry key before you do the above because doing the above will wipe out anything already there. This key should not exist by default. By the way, if you want to delete the mapping, just delete the key. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 09:13 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break Jim: It looked like a good thing to try but I'm not to good with the registry and always real cautious. So I went to Regedit and when I drill down to Keyboard Layout I find two more sub-folders - DosKeybCodes and DosKeybIDs. Ignore those? So then is this snip that remaps F10 a new key? There's one key in Keyboard Layout - Default. Do I edit that one? Or create a new key? If a new key does it go into its own sub-folder or into the Keyboard Layout folder? Is Scancode Map the Value Name and the snip starting with =hex entered in the value data? So many questions...:) Thanks Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 5:07 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: Ctrl Break You guys miss this? Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break It's not there on mine either. I've remapped the F10 using this: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout] "Scancode Map"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,46,e0,44,00,00,00,00,00 Some have said this program works well: http://www.randyrants.com/2008/12/sharpkeys_30.html But I haven't tried it yet. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 04:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Guys Thank You kindly. This is a new system. And <Pause/Break> does not exist on the new keyboard. I am not criticizing any of your comments. But ever since I bought this new Dell product with Windows 7 it has been one problem after another. My major problem is that there is no longer the option to do <Ctrl Break> in Access 2003 to kill the Access error message and view what is causing the problem in my code. The thing is I do not want to try my old keyboard, and I do not want to talk to Dell's support people because I already told them I would never buy another of their products. I am asking you guys if you can give me some direction, that is all. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Have you tried your old keyboard it should still work. I got a new dell and I didn't like the light touch and one or two keys kept not working so I put the old one back on and things work fine. Oh are you on a laptop? Then you're up a creek I guess. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:25 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve I have to first thank both of you Steves for responding. No again the companies keep dictating what you get, the Pause/Break key is gone. Suckered again with the punch. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Turner Sent: September-20-12 2:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break You don't have a pause break key to the right of the f keys? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey Steve Nope, I have tried all kinds of CTRL combinations and I just do not get the needed affect. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Goodhall Sent: September-20-12 1:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Does ctrl-c work? Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Tony Septav <TSeptav at uniserve.com> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 18:51:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: [AccessD] Ctrl Break Hey All On my new Dell machine on the keyboard I cannot find any Break key. On the older versions of keyboards I would always use <Ctrl Break> to bust out of a code error message and jump to the spot it occurred. Is there an alternative? PS: Windows 7 is causing me more grieve then I ever expected. Thanks Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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