Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
Sat Mar 2 11:35:17 CST 2013
Oh my, yes! How could we have overlooked Visicalc? We had that on the Honeywell word-porcessing stations that we installed in 1982-ish (1982, 3, or 4). I thought that was the best thing ever. Saw Lotus 1-2-3 for the first time, when? About 1985 or 6 I think. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 3/2/2013 8:46 AM, jack drawbridge wrote: > Come on John, you remember Visicalc..... > > On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote: > >>> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that >> got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday >> users. It really did give power to the people and I will always love it for >> that. >> >> And here I thought Lotus 123 did that. >> >> >> John W. Colby >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> >> On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >> >>> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I know >>> would say ;) ). >>> >>> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the early >>> days of MS Office. The database is for storing the data and shrinking down >>> the vast raw data into the bits you require to look at via views / queries >>> / whatever. >>> >>> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing and >>> playing with scenarios. >>> >>> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid), >>> Powerpoint). >>> >>> Too many folks try to do it all in one application. >>> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables. >>> Databases in Excel is real common. >>> the list goes on... >>> >>> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application that >>> got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of everyday >>> users. It really did give power to the people and I will always love it >>> for that. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**__________ >>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[ >>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>] >>> on behalf of John W Colby [jwcolby at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this >>> >>> us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand long >>>> after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are extinct. >>>> >>> LOL, ain't that the truth. I still prefer databases though. Each has >>> its place, it's just that >>> Excel so often ends up being turned into a database which it doesn't >>> Excel at (pun intended) >>> >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>> when you do not believe in it >>> >>> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >>> >>>> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;) >>>> And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the dark >>>> arts of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in >>>> demand long after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are >>>> extinct. >>>> >>>> So all good really ;) . Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, you >>>> will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions will be >>>> appreciated. Besides, I usually find you highly entertaining as well as >>>> educational - and not just with VBA stuff either. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Darryl. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**__________ >>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[ >>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>] >>>> on behalf of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [vbacreations at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM >>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this >>>> >>>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire Listserv >>>> to >>>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed ;-) >>>> >>>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl... >>>> >>>> Meanie. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>] >>>> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this >>>> >>>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel >>>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com), mistaking it for one our our lists. Wow >>>> was >>>> I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. Unfortunately, >>>> as I >>>> age, I don't have that much time.. . >>>> >>>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it does shed >>>> some light on the differenence. >>>> >>>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as "Quants", >>>> short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they are risking the >>>> hard-earned money that others have made and invested in this or that >>>> fund. >>>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for a >>>> Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL Server >>>> rather >>>> then Excel. >>>> >>>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, don't >>>> even >>>> know that there is a difference between a Range and an Array. >>>> >>>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars of >>>> money >>>> belonging to other people is truly frightening. The up-side is that I >>>> have >>>> invested zero dollars in the opinions of these fools; the down-side is >>>> that >>>> many several millions have, and I fear for their prospects. >>>> >>>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a valuable >>>> group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or two. To think >>>> that >>>> these people are waging millions of other people's dollars on their >>>> "feelings" is ghastly. >>>> >>>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come bearing a >>>> spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit spreadsheets, and I >>>> trust them. But in their absence. do not trust anyone. These people are >>>> jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick. >>>> >>>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the model, I >>>> had >>>> no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur rhis goes to way that >>>> there is a difference between a programmer and a user. The frightening >>>> part >>>> is that users equipped with Excel are making decisions involving >>>> millions of >>>> other people's dollars. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Arthur >>>> Cell: 647.710.1314 >>>> >>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >>>> -- Niels Bohr >>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com> >>