[AccessD] I was not going to post this

William Benson (VBACreations.Com) vbacreations at gmail.com
Sat Mar 2 12:08:58 CST 2013


Hey I learned to write Lotus 123 macros (beginning with backslash somewhere
on the worksheet) back in 1986 during an internship with Aetna doing
actuarial stuff.   Before internet and I think that is how I learned to type
everything from menu system by memory.


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this

Oh my, yes!  How could we have overlooked Visicalc?  We had that on the
Honeywell word-porcessing stations that we installed in 1982-ish (1982, 3,
or 4).  I thought that was the best thing ever.  Saw Lotus 1-2-3 for the
first time, when?  About 1985 or 6 I think.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/2/2013 8:46 AM, jack drawbridge wrote:
> Come on John, you remember Visicalc.....
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM, John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application 
>>> that
>> got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands of 
>> everyday users. It really did give power to the people and I will 
>> always love it for that.
>>
>> And here I thought Lotus 123 did that.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2013 8:42 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, with you 100% on that one John (or 110% as some Excel users I 
>>> know would say ;) ).
>>>
>>> Personally I still think of these tools as I first did back in the 
>>> early days of MS Office.  The database is for storing the data and 
>>> shrinking down the vast raw data into the bits you require to look 
>>> at via views / queries / whatever.
>>>
>>> Excel is for doing the analysis, Pivots, charting, number mashing 
>>> and playing with scenarios.
>>>
>>> Word is for doing the final presentation (or maybe (god forbid), 
>>> Powerpoint).
>>>
>>> Too many folks try to do it all in one application.
>>> I have seen spreadsheet attempted in word tables.
>>> Databases in Excel is real common.
>>> the list goes on...
>>>
>>> That said, Excel still holds the honour of the killer PC application 
>>> that got the whole show out of the IT department and into the hands 
>>> of everyday users.  It really did give power to the people and I 
>>> will always love it for that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**__________
>>> From: 
>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvis
>>> ors.com>[ 
>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvis
>>> ors.com>] on behalf of John W Colby [jwcolby at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:52 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>
>>>   us meek Excel hacks will be still be making money and in demand 
>>> long
>>>> after MS Access is retired from general use and Access devs are
extinct.
>>>>
>>> LOL, ain't that the truth.  I still prefer databases though.  Each 
>>> has its place, it's just that Excel so often ends up being turned 
>>> into a database which it doesn't Excel at (pun intended)
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 2/28/2013 8:48 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>> hehehehe, It is ok Bill, as an amatuer hack I am used to be insulted ;)
>>>>   And whilst that maybe indeed the case we are mere dabblers in the 
>>>> dark arts of VBA - us meek Excel hacks will be still be making 
>>>> money and in demand long after MS Access is retired from general 
>>>> use and Access devs are extinct.
>>>>
>>>> So all good really ;) .  Arthur, please stick around on Excel - L, 
>>>> you will fit right in and your skills, experience and contributions 
>>>> will be appreciated.  Besides, I usually find you highly 
>>>> entertaining as well as educational - and not just with VBA stuff
either.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Darryl.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________**__________
>>>> From: 
>>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvi
>>>> sors.com>[ 
>>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvi
>>>> sors.com>] on behalf of William Benson (VBACreations.Com) 
>>>> [vbacreations at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 9:04 PM
>>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>>
>>>> Art, you take one thread (or a couple) and then kick an entire 
>>>> Listserv to
>>>> the curb? You ought to be ashamed   ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Plus you just insulted both me and Darryl...
>>>>
>>>> Meanie.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: 
>>>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvi
>>>> sors.com> 
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at data
>>>> baseadvisors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:11 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: [AccessD] I was not going to post this
>>>>
>>>> For some reason I ended up joining a list about Excel 
>>>> EXCEL-L at peach.ease.lsoft.com),  mistaking it for one our our lists. 
>>>> Wow was I wrong/ These people need more than a lifetime of help. 
>>>> Unfortunately, as I age, I don't have that much time.. .
>>>>
>>>> To be fair, it's a user's group not a developer's group, and it 
>>>> does shed some light on the differenence.
>>>>
>>>> The scary part is that some of these people fancy themselves as 
>>>> "Quants", short for Quantitative Analysts, which means that they 
>>>> are risking the hard-earned money that others have made and 
>>>> invested in this or that fund.
>>>> And I am aware of many of their algorithms, having once worked for 
>>>> a Bermudian hedge fund, which at least had the sense to use SQL 
>>>> Server rather then Excel.
>>>>
>>>> This seriously frightens me. These Excel listers, save on or two, 
>>>> don't even know that there is a difference between a Range and an 
>>>> Array.
>>>>
>>>> The prospect that these people are playing with millions of dollars 
>>>> of money belonging to other people is truly frightening. The 
>>>> up-side is that I have invested zero dollars in the opinions of 
>>>> these fools; the down-side is that many several millions have, and 
>>>> I fear for their prospects.
>>>>
>>>> I guess what I am saying is this: if you want to realize what a 
>>>> valuable group this one is, just go visit that one for a minute or 
>>>> two. To think that these people are waging millions of other 
>>>> people's dollars on their "feelings" is ghastly.
>>>>
>>>> Hold onto your wallet; trust no one, especially if they come 
>>>> bearing a spreadsheet.Yes, there are tools available to audit 
>>>> spreadsheets, and I trust them. But in their absence. do not trust 
>>>> anyone. These people are jokers, fools or scammers. Take your pick.
>>>>
>>>> I do not fancy myself as an Excel guru. But once I learned the 
>>>> model, I had no problem doing some fancy footwork in Excel. Bur 
>>>> rhis goes to way that there is a difference between a programmer 
>>>> and a user. The frightening part is that users equipped with Excel 
>>>> are making decisions involving millions of other people's dollars.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Arthur
>>>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>>>
>>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>>>      -- Niels Bohr
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