Darryl Collins
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
Tue Sep 3 18:32:50 CDT 2013
HAHAHA, yeah, that was exactly the point I was going to make. You go via the official channels and you usually get one of the following responses. "No we are not doing that; it is too small a project" "We don't have the resources" "Sure we can do that, estimated cost is $180,000, plus incidentals - we can start soon as you get your budget finalised" "We can do that, but it will be 18 months before implementation" "We'll look at it, please fill out this 40 page scope document first" "We can't do that, we only work with X". Most time they know who the local Excel / VBA / Access guru is and just get them to whip it up in a couple of weeks. Hell, I have spent the last 20 years gainfully employed because of exactly that! Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Anywhere LOL, they know why. Because the users ask for stuff from IT and... well... in a year or so... So the user's have a job to do and so they do it themselves. John W. Colby Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/3/2013 12:53 PM, DJK (John) Robinson wrote: > Hmm. Has the company thought to ask themselves WHY these apps exist? I guess not... > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W > Colby > Sent: 03 September 2013 14:45 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Anywhere > > > The company I am working for did an inventory and found something like > 800 Access apps on employee's desktops. They are trying hard to force > the users to stop developing such things and then to migrate all of these things to a C# / Java app. > > John W. Colby > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 9/3/2013 8:12 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: >> It's not that they cannot, it's they don't want to. >> >> Microsoft has jumped ship in regards to the desktop and are >> looking to leapfrog everyone by a few years. Their entire corporate >> strategy and focus is aimed at the web and getting Office users onto >> a subscription model because the software development cycle as we know it is no longer >> sustainable. They don't want anyone on the desktop any more with >> applications. >> >> The risk is that they may have jumped too far too quickly. Not >> everyone has broadband for example and their effort may fail for that >> reason alone. The other biggie is security; not everyone is comfortable with everything >> being in the cloud and having someone else in control of your data. The >> exposure of the government monitoring programs could not have come at >> a worst time for them, as it proves beyond a doubt how data is no longer under >> your control once off premise. I think that more then anything is going to >> give people pause about the use of cloud technologies. >> >> But even without that, I think they under estimated the >> reluctance of business moving into the cloud. Unfortunately, I believe it's too late for >> Access. I really do think their turning it into nothing more then a front >> end / power user tool that's web based. Oh the desktop side will still be >> around for a while, but I think it will stand as is and not change from this >> point forward. It's pretty obvious that the last three releases were >> focused on nothing but the web. It also seems pretty obvious that they are >> focused on using macro's with web apps and will not bring anything >> more powerful on board for coding. They are also suggesting doing >> reporting via Excel and that's the last functional piece they need to >> round out web apps. >> >> There maybe a small glimmer of hope though; they woke up a bit >> with Windows 8 and have back tracked. Maybe they'll do the same for >> the desktop side again and make some improvements, or at least >> provide some more power under the hood with web apps in order to get >> existing DB's onto the web, but that seems like a long shot at this >> point. Web App's are just too much of a departure from the current desktop DB's. >> >> And so many developers have already left the product. By the time >> we would see improvements, there may not be many of us left to use >> them :( >> >> Jim. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms >> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:03 PM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Anywhere >> >> Thanks Arthur - >> it boggles the mind that neither MSFT nor Adobe with their near >> infinite resources.... could come-up with a competitive offering ? >> >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com