Arthur Fuller
fuller.artful at gmail.com
Wed Feb 26 16:50:42 CST 2014
Consider me out of this argument. I don't give a fork which OS you choose as your BFF and have no interest in persuading you that mine is a better one. I don't give a fork. What works for you is my paramount interest. All my thoughts are currently focused upon the chicken-chili stew that is brewing on my slow-cooker at the moment. And compared to that immediate focus, thoughts of which is better this or that, pale in comparison. A. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > > > The brilliant thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can > scale from a wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated > cinemascreen. > > You mean, something like the Truman Show poster? > http://www.impawards.com/1998/truman_show_ver1_xlg.html > > Mother of god. An icon... within a box. And repeated in a tiled fashion. > That's brilliant. Why hasn't anyone else done this??? :) > > To be honest, I never had a problem with Metro's tiled interface in > theory. The implementation of how apps behave when you click on them and > the whole magic corners really breaks the whole thing for me. Also, having > many of your tiles constantly change information makes for a very obnoxious > interface for anything other than a news ticker display. > > Microsoft could totally fix Metro and make it something people actually > are interested in, but, as it currently stands, an excess of minimalism and > rejection of decades of user interface design + the awesome magic corners > makes it very difficult to love. > > - Hans > > > > On Feb 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote: > > > Hi Hans > > > > Thanks. You really make me feel ahead of the crowd. Perhaps I just am > better than most to find and appreciate the new opportunities rather than > sticking to the past. It is claimed that positive people will live longer > than those spending a lot of energy being negative. Fingers crossed. > > > > As of today, no one has argued that the old desktop is preferable for a > touch screen. It was a dead end. Something had to be done. The brilliant > thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can scale from a > wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated cinemascreen. > > > > /gustav > > > > ________________________________________ > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> på vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen > <hans.andersen at phulse.com> > > Sendt: 26. februar 2014 21:42 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase > > > > Gustav. > > > > I think Microsoft designed Windows 8 just for you. :) > > > > > >> It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have > forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced). > > > > What? When? I don't ever recall the Start Menu being ridiculed when it > was introduced. And, personally, I was happy it came along, because I was > using something similar in function as the start menu in Windows 3.11, only > that you could access it via a right click of the desktop. It made Win3.11 > so much more usable. > > > > > >> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in > design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that > excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function > > > > So your logic is: Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design. It is not > possible to disagree. If you try to disagree, it is only evidence that it > is a masterpiece in design. > > > > http://i.imgur.com/2St5C4B.jpg > > > > > >> and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study > what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows > when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you > get used to it, but it makes me feel sick. > > > > I find it amusing that before Windows 8, people would criticize OS X for > being flashy and all about aesthetics. Form over function etc. Windows is > for the power user, who values performance and a consistent UI that > improves incrementally. > > > > Now OS X is apparently old fashioned and has ugly animations, while > Windows 8 is a masterpiece in modern UX/UI design. > > > > It's an upside down world, I tell's ya. Although, to be honest, I'm not > sure most people agree with you, Gustav. > > > > > > - Hans > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:55 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote: > > > >> Hi Arthur > >> > >> You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old > farts, but pussies is much nicer! > >> > >> I've used Windows 8 (now 8.1 of course) on my home workstation since > the very first developer edition (with the wonderful fish on the desktop) > and with zero add-ons as I've never been a fan of the small and miserable > and messy Start menu. It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems > like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced). > >> We still run Win7 and a little WinXP at the office but we seriously > consider moving to Win8 after the next update. > >> > >> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in > design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that > excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function - and > if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what > old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when > they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get > used to it, but it makes me feel sick. > >> > >> Of course, as a developer I mostly use the desktop of Win8. Also, my > 27" monitor has no touch, so the Metro interface is mouse only for me. But > the organization of icons in groups on the Start screen is a big progress > compared to the multilevel Start menu of Win7-. > >> > >> Further, it is like most look at Win8 as Win7 with another interface. > That is not so. It is faster, and with an SSD drive you have finally > reached what a computer should be: Instantly on and off with sleep mode, > and only few seconds to the login screen from a cold boot. > >> > >> Finally, as Martin mentions, where Windows 8 really shines is on a > tablet. We have a Surface Pro 2, a wonderful machine, and I have used the > old desktop on that. It is doable, but don't forget your glasses or the > pen-pointer. It is not productive, and if that would have been the only > option, people would have bashed MS, much like what happened with the old > Windows Mobile. Something had to be done, and the Metro/Modern touch > interface is the answer. Apps can be snipped/snapped in and out and you > quickly feel at home. > >> > >> /gustav > >> > >> > >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > >> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] På vegne af Arthur Fuller > >> Sendt: 25. februar 2014 21:05 > >> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase > >> > >> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about > Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell > (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8 > palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter > and better than the old classic start menu. > >> > >> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do > to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles > into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles > containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And > most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to > the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is > Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I > also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn > which monitor they should load on. > >> > >> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some > of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows > 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I > still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find > myself using that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for > running Ubuntu Linux. > >> > >> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently > read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop. > >> That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop > monitor. > >> That will be very cool. > >> > >> My $0.02. > >> > >> Arthur > >> > >> -- > >> AccessD mailing list > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur