John W. Colby
jwcolby at gmail.com
Tue Feb 3 17:18:06 CST 2015
In the end I will be a linux guru. No choice if I want to do ucontrollers which are all (mostly) driven by linux. Command window here I come! I was rolling on the floor last night. I'm watching a youtube about setting up a tool chain for a gui C++ compiler environment. An HOUR into the thing he had never left the command window. An hour into the thing he JUST got the whole thing installed and running, and finally got a graphics "hello world" to run on the BeagleBone, but he was STILL typing into the command window on a VM (running Linux on a Windows machine). So an hour of typing crap into a command window to get a (GUI) programming environment installed on Linux, running in a VM on Windows, and he hadn't even yet fired up the C++ Gui environment. LOTS of conversations to the camera about "well because we are running this here linux variant we have to go do this ... clickety clack command window typing..." "And we LIKE it that way!!!" Men from the boys kinda stuff... I just can't wait until I too can stick my chest out (or pull my gut in) and rattle off the 47 different variants of Linux I'VE used in the last two years. ;) John W. Colby On 2/3/2015 5:32 PM, Martin Reid wrote: > Great to see how you have mellowed over the years John (<: > > Martin > > Sent from Surface Pro > > From: John W. Colby<mailto:jwcolby at gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2015 21:39 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > > I was reading about snappy just the other day. > > A few months back I built a midrange AMD 6 core with 24 gigs RAM. I > installed Windows 7 on it, but I ended up saving that into a VM image (I > hope) and installing Linux Mint on that machine. I did so to allow me > to get into Linux. So far it has been a PITA. I read an interesting > article called something like "Linux is not Windows" about why Linux and > Windows are so different and how best to approach Linux. All I can say > is "yea yea, it still sux". In the first week of trying to do anything > with it (even though this is Mint mind you) I typed more crap into the > command line than I had in the entire last 20 years using Windows. In > one stinking week. > > So Linux is DOS on steroids with a Gui that is barely used laid over the > top. Or so it seems. > > I'm actually OK with that I guess, I was a DRDOS wizard back in the day, > I can deal with the command line. > > I must say I find it amusing to listen to the Linux Gurus... "Yea, I use > XYZ today but last month I was heavy into KJKL, but I didn't like the > installer. Before that I was using..." And then there is the whole > "what desktop are you using" issue. As if that makes any damned > difference ANYWAY since you are constantly typing into a command window. > > It's like a mark of manhood to be able to say that you have used 47 > different forks of Linux in the last two years, and 19 different desktop > variants ON EACH ONE... Down here in the south we just carry a big gun > to mark our manhood. Well... not me but those "manhood deficient" types. > > To be honest, I don't give a rat's patuty what Linux variant I use. I > would prefer that the OS fade into the background and let me get some > actual WORK DONE, hello come in. Instead of spending hours trying to > figure out how to the the app installed. > > To say that this has been ... interesting... would be... well... a lie. > I REALLY don't want to learn how to type crap into the command line, I > want to get MariaDB installed and start using it. I want to get VMs up > and running and start using them. I want to get Wine installed and > start using it. Notice that in all cases I REALLY want to GET USING > THEM. But to do that you gonna be a typin' in the command window! > > Say what you want about Windows but you click Install and wait. When it > is done, you open the app you just installed and start using it. > Windows (until Windows 8.x) was just a platform which hosted apps. You > never actually DO (did) anything in Windows itself, you use apps ON Windows. > > Not so with Linux. > > Climbs down off the soap box. > > And so I have a honkin machine that runs Linux Mint. It does NOT run > MariaDB (yet), not does it run VMs (yet). I think it runs Wine, but > without much more command window typin I can't be sure. I can run > Firefox and FreeOffice etc. Through the GUI no less. Yeaaaa. > > John W. Colby > > On 2/3/2015 3:55 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Just posted the following on Facebook this morning: >> >> "Some people reading that both Windows 10 or Ubuntu can be installed, on the new PIs...but the software that can load is a specialize version of both. IoT (program) for Windows and Snappy for Ubuntu...both designed specifically for use in embedded devices. OTOH, Ubuntu has a server/terminal product which allows PIs to run as thin clients: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP." >> >> There is a lot of interesting products out there. The Ubuntu stuff should run on Mint without issues. (Now that I have retired I prefer Linux distros over Windows ones and just use Windows products so to keep my hands in. >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com> >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >> Sent: Monday, 2 February, 2015 8:35:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I couldn't post >> >> I don't think so. I am also running it on a Linux Mint machine which I >> am playing with. >> >> Speaking of Linux, the Raspberry Pi B 2 just hit the internet. With a >> quad core v7 core and a gig of Ram, otherwise identical. >> >> I am seriously considering building out a parallel processor using a >> bunch of these. Lots of press on a bunch of guys doing this, using the >> old Pi. >> >> With a faster processor, quad cores and twice the memory, the overall >> horsepower just went up radically. I'm thinking of maybe starting with >> 8 of them. (32) one ghz cores and 8 gigs of ram anyone? >> >> I ordered a BeagleBone black last week (before this announcement) >> because I love ucontroller / electronics stuff. I got my start in >> electronics back in the late 60s, pre ucontroller. A few years back I >> started playing with the Atmel uc series, with many different pin >> packages. It was a bit of a pita to set up but was a ton-o-fun. I >> actually designed a pulse width modulation motor driver, driving a cmos >> high power driver, driving a very powerful motor from a ride on toy. >> >> The BeagleBone has most of that stuff built right in, in a package size >> the same as the Pi. Well, not the high power cmos amp... But it has a >> couple of dedicated 200 mhz controllers right on die for the real time >> stuff to dr. >> >> Of course you have to program them in assembler... >> >> And just a slew of i/o. Cool stuff. >> >> >> John W. Colby >> >> On 2/2/2015 9:16 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: >>> Isn't Thunderbird unsupported by Mozilla these days? I thought they stopped working on it a while back now - maybe 18 months or more? >>> >>> Anyway, welcome Back John. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Darryl >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby >>> Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2015 1:09 PM >>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >>> Subject: [AccessD] I couldn't post >>> >>> I've been here forever, I just couldn't post because my Thunderbird install on my laptop insisted on using the wrong output email address and so AccessD servers kicked my replies back. >>> >>> I finally decided to just uninstall and reinstall (and lose all my stuff >>> - it's a long story). >>> >>> -- >>> John W. Colby >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com