[AccessD] Further to keyboard problem

Sun Mar 6 16:43:09 CST 2016

A PC with UEFI may not allow BIOS access once you selected the UEFI mode
Win-10 Fast-Start stops BIOS access - use Settings to turn it off

Also from 
http://www.howtogeek.com/243901/the-pros-and-cons-of-windows-10s-fast-startup-mo
de/

.	When you shut down a computer with Fast Startup enabled, Windows locks
down the Windows hard disk. You won't be able to access it from other operating
systems if you have your computer configured to dual-boot. Depending on your
setup, this might even prevent dual-boot from working at all.
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For a 1 off - Use either CTRL, or maybe it's SHIFT and mouse select shutdown
from the icon at the bottom right of the screen 
Maybe logoff as a user to get back to that screen 
And maybe the gotta restart for updates will let you get to use the F .. key on
startup

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And from an earlier 'find' but things have changed since that version of Win 10
-

To use windows to set access on next boot - 

Point to the upper-right corner of the screen, move the mouse pointer down, and
then click Personalise - Settings.
 (If you're using a touch screen, swipe in from the right edge of the screen,
and then tap Settings.) 
Power options
Choose what the Power Button Does - set SHUTDOWN
"Change settings that are currently not available" should give access to the
shutdown settings 
Where you can untick fast startup

Then - 
Change PC settings
Update & Security 
Recovery 
Restart Now - and when it does ...

Troubleshoot
Advanced
then maybe BIOS settings, or UEFI Settings or Restart -
And you should soon see the BIOS setup.
|That is assuming the running system will allow you to see the setup you want

And maybe also have a browse of
https://www.infopackets.com/news/9720/how-remove-windows-10-password-no-login-sc
reen

http://www.groovypost.com/howto/recover-lost-windows-password/
 - No Login screen

Have fun  Join the win-10 WTF party 

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
Colby
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 10:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem

AFAICT Windows 10 no longer allows boot to bios.

On 3/6/2016 10:34 AM, James Button wrote:
> Maybe worth stopping the Fast-Restart option, and checking that the Setting
for
> the Power-Button is SHUT-DOWN rather than hibernate/sleep,
> so the system does a proper restart rather than 'win-10 faster startup' that
is
> actually an awakening  from hibernate.
>
> Substantially slows down closedown and restart - but there is the
> maybe-get-at-YOUR-PC option rather than accept the MS modified instance of Win
> 10.
>
> And - is your BIOS set to look to boot from other than the hard drive - pretty
> much essential to be able to boot from a CD or USB device if you want to do
> maintenance to deal with the more usual and annoying Win-10 problems
>
> Happy for you that this was amenable to backout.
>
> The point about the 'Restore CD' - Paragon EASEUS etc. tend to be pretty basic
> Linux OS's which would, if you could get the laptop to boot from one, have
gone
> back to basic (BIOS? specified) input devices.
>
>
> JimB
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
> Colby
> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 5:05 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem
>
> I ended up restoring back to the 1st and my keyboard is back.
>
> Whew!!!
>
> This was a toughie!  There is a virtual (on sreen) keyboard under the
> login screen for "ease of access".  I could then use the mouse to click
> the buttons to log in.  Once logged in I could use the mouse to open the
> control panel and from there do a restore, all using only the mouse.
>
> The (2nd) restore worked and allowed me to use the keyboard.
>
> The stated purpose of the restore point was installation of a driver for
> Comodore Unite.  Not sure that install hosed things.  I won't be
> installing it again however.
>
> So my laptop is working again.  That is all that really matters.
>
> On 3/5/2016 11:46 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>> John,
>> Different brands of machines have different ways to break into the bios.
>> Check with the manufacturer to get the instructions that work for your
>> machine.
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>> (916) 206-4336
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:59 PM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Windows 10.
>>>
>>> It is a laptop which does not enter anything into the password field.  I
>>> have a Logitech USB RF Keyboard / mouse pair which I have used with this
>>> thing for as long as I have owned it.  The mouse works, the keyboard does
>>> not enter anything into the password field.  I have a second Logitech RF
>>> keyboard / trackpad combo.  The trackpad works, the keyboard does not enter
>>> anything into the password field.  I cannot use the tab key to cause the
>>> cursor to move on to the power off icon.
>>>
>>> No matter which keyboard I try, it will not accept a keystroke to cause
>>> the pretty picture to go away and display the login screen. If I click on
>>> the screen with the mouse or the trackpad of the USB (RF) keyboards, I can
>>> get to the login screen but no key on the keyboards do anything.  Arrow
>>> keys do not move the insertion pointer, tab doesn't move the insertion
>>> pointer on to the power off icon (for example).
>>>
>>> The PC Power off key does turn the laptop off.  No other key on the entire
>>> keyboard does anything AFAICT.
>>>
>>> Apparently to break into the BIOS one holds down the F2 key and presses
>>> the power button, holding F2 until the bios screen appears. That does not
>>> work.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/5/2016 4:35 PM, James Button wrote:
>>>
>>>> If it was a desktop I'd ask PS2 or USB keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> But will the keyboard will let you get to the BIOS.
>>>> Or - will it let you get to a System reset process - not to run that,
>>>> just to
>>>> see if the keyboard is working
>>>>
>>>> Next test - if you boot from a restore CD - will that (Linux?) OS
>>>> recognise
>>>> keyboard input - assuming you have the system set to look to boot from CD
>>>> (or
>>>> USB) before trying the hard drive.
>>>>
>>>> And have you tried CTRL+ALT+DEL to see if that gets you to taskmanager and
>>>> logon/closedown options
>>>> And ... have you tried the icon at the bottom right corner to see if that
>>>> shows
>>>> anything different.
>>>>
>>>> You may need to do a recovery boot - to use safe mode and then after that,
>>>> closedown and  just redo a normal boot.
>>>>
>>>> JimB
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> John
>>>> Colby
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 9:17 PM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem
>>>>
>>>> Yes there is a "power" key on the keyboard which turns the computer off.
>>>> It's as if the login screen itself just is not accepting keys.
>>>> On Mar 5, 2016 11:59 AM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The power key?
>>>>> Dan
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>> John Colby
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:56 AM
>>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>>> Subject: [AccessD] Further to keyboard problem
>>>>>
>>>>> The power key on the keyboard shuts the computer down.
>>>>>
>>>>> WTFO?
>>>>>
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