[AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games

Sun Mar 13 08:22:50 CDT 2016

Well, folks,
I set the ask before downloading 'mode'

Later, via "New Notifications" got told there were fixes to get -
Checked and it was the 'Defender' definitions from the one before that Defender
currently showed it was using.

Today -  "New Notifications" got told an App had had associations changed
Well - all I found so far is that .png has been moved from Irfanview and is now
in Photo.
I'll possibly find there are others later, sometime when not expecting some MS
'App' to run against a file I had previously set to a program I specifically
installed for it. - Sort of like EDGE processing scripts embedded in PDF files,
when I have my 'dont-run-scripts or links' PDF file viewer. 

The notification also indicated more fixes - well defender - my fast check for
Windows Update failure details it's using  1.215.1444.0 (the  13/mar @01:30
version)
Settings > Update&Security > Windows Update> shows that definition set is
available and ready to download
Yup! The single 'update' one available to download has already been downloaded,
installed, and (I hope) is being used!

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl
Collins
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 2:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games

"When" - sort of.  Only delayed, not "not at all option"
"If" - nope.  You can only delay not reject.

One upside of Pro and Business is MS push out updates onto the "Home" and
"Student" population first and then later release to Pro and then finally
business / enterprise.

I suspect that is deliberate to iron out any serious and/or critical issues
before the manure impacts the blades on a customer with clout.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Friday, 11 March 2016 7:57 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games

I heartily agree that they need to suffer in compensation for the pain they
cause us.  But right now my system is working, so nothing to call them about.
:-(

Seems like the only way to have some measure of control over your system is to
fork out the extra cash to buy the Pro version of Windows, which allows you to
choose when and if updates are installed - so I understand.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James
Button
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games

You're welcome -

Partly my proposal that their chat-line staff be asked to fix problems  is that
I don't know of a better way to have Microsoft take notice  that there are
problems with Windows 10 than to cost them money.

And their attitude to the maintenance process that seems to be operated  as if
the instance of Windows-10 on users PC's not only belongs to Microsoft,  but can
also be altered as Microsoft's whim is, in my view NOT ACCEPTABLE.

If anyone has a better idea, please advise me of that better approach

JimB 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games

Thanks for the tip regarding the keywords. I believe that things have now
settled down now that I've got the most recent cumulative update, but I'll bear
this in mind if there is a next time.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James
Button
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games

Can't help with your enjoyment of your "enhanced user experience".

However I would use the Microsoft Chat Line facility - take a few hours of a
Microsoft technician's time to make the point that your 'Windows 10' system is
experiencing problems with the Microsoft  'Update facility' 

Both keyword sets qualify for 'no-charge support' 
Expect to have a good experienced technician take a couple of hours to
investigate and fix the problem using remote access, and one of the less good
ones to faf around for most of their working day.
Make sure that you have their ref number, and the web link to get back to that
tech after they restart your system.

JimB

-----Original Message-----
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Lambert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'ACCESS-L Email
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Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games

Here's another fine example of the trials and tribulations of Windows Update.

On the evening of March 5th, having left my Windows 10 box running unattended
for a couple of hours, I came back to it to find a blue screen telling me that
"Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC", and I had the option to Shut Down or
go to Advanced Options.

Naturally I chose Advanced Options and was presented with another screen with a
variety of choices, including:

* Restart the PC
	- tried that, with no luck. Back to the same screen.
* Retry Automatic Repair
	 - tried that and it failed after a few minutes
* Reset the PC 
	- did not like the looks of that
* Restore from a Restore Point 
	- That looked good as I did have some restore points. When I tried it, I
was shown a list of available restore points, but when I chose any of them and
hit the button to move on all I got was an error about some instruction
referencing memory is some whacky location. In short Resorting was not going to
happen.

I went around the options a couple of times, but after an hour had made no
progress so I gave up and powered off, thinking  "looks like I need to dig out
that Windows install DVD". Just for kicks and giggles I powered it up again
straight away, and to my surprise and delight the thing booted up into the
normal login screen. So  logged in and immediately created a new restore point.

At that point I powered down and went to bed.

Then on March 8th, having left the machine running and idle for a longish time
the same thing happened.  Got the "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC"
screen. This time however I was up and running in a few minutes as the restore
point I created on the 5th was functional.

It seemed evident to me that I was falling foul of an automatic update that was
happening during idle time. Having only Windows 10 Home I have essentially no
control over the update process.  So I took a look at my update history and sure
enough, on the 5th and 8th there were entries showing one of those cumulative
updates having failed to install (forget the KB number, but I can post it later
if anyone wants to know). 

Then last night, while looking into the situation again, I opened the windows
update screen and saw that there was a new cumulative update dated March 9th
awaiting download and installation.  So I thought, perhaps if I let that one get
installed, being later than and so superseding the update that had failed twice,
perhaps this new update will have had the bugs swept out of it. Sure enough, it
did in fact successfully install without any problems. 

Pity the poor average Joe presented with this situation. I see lots of money
being handed over to Geek Squad to sort this out for non-computer savvy users.
And I wonder when something bad like this will crop up again.

Lambert

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