[AccessD] MS 365 Upgrade to Family

Thu Mar 2 10:49:27 CST 2023

"Balance of the mind was disturbed"
Long term effects of covid, diet, using MS products, or dementia even.
Those you can be considered capable of recovering from !
Even possibly ageing on your 'core' memory ?

I suspect that senility is a one way declaration to having your 'affairs' managed.

Unless you are wanting your affairs to be managed for you - 
Just, maybe some long term consideration before asking the wife to do that 4 U

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces+jamesbutton=blueyonder.co.uk at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 4:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS 365 Upgrade to Family

Where I have ended up is a strange place. Back in K&R territory, writing
code in C, so far just silly little programs, but one of which I like. It
does the KV alphabet. If you don't know that term, you've certainly
experienced it. "Alpha beta Charlie Delta Echo... Wyoming, Zulu." My silly
little program invites you to enter anything -- could be your whole name,
the country of your choice, or even just a sentence quoted from Richard
Dawkins of Willy Shakespeare. Then it parses the words you entered and
spells them out like an airline traffic controller would. Hardly a program
that would change the world, but it was fun to write.

I keep going back to K&R, and re-reading it, and re-reading it. And now and
then, I have occasion to visit Access code I wrote decades ago, and
re-think it, tear it apart and yell, Who wrote this pile of shit? Oh, me. I
was young and stupid. Now I'm old and slightly less stupid -- the jury is
still out on that. My last defence is senility. Do you think a jury would
buy that?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 10:07 PM Paul Wolstenholme <
Paul.W at industrialcontrol.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> When I replied to Arthur's statement that he was starting to learn
> LibreOffice I only wrote about how I prefer to install LibreOffice.
> I should have added that I do not use its programming features and that I
> gave up on using OpenOffice base even before I started using LibreOffice.
> I failed to see a net benefit to using Base over Access (after my
> once youthful optimism waned).
> Stuart's advice to program with what your clients use is probably sound
> wisdom!
>
> I bought my Access licence at a time when buying it bundled with Microsoft
> Office was NOT a requirement.
> LibreOffice Writer is fine for writing specifications and exchanging them
> with people who use Word.
> LibreOffice Calc is fine for spreadsheets I like to write - i.e. lots of
> formulae but no macros.  It is also fine for exchanging formatted data with
> Excel users even if they contain basic formulae.  I've always assumed that
> things like hexadecimal conversion functions were a LibreOffice optional
> extension - and I've had no need to share those with anyone.
> I have far less use for LibreOffice Impress (which is like PowerPoint) or
> LibreOffice Draw, but they are also part of the free suite along with Base.
>
> Paul Wolstenholme
>
>
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 at 15:19, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
>
> > For programming, I use what my clients use - which is MS Office.
> >
> > I am not aware of any organisation in PNG that uses Libre Office and
> Base.
> >
> > On 27 Feb 2023 at 16:13, John Colby wrote:
> >
> > > I also use LibreOffice.  However it has no vba compatible anything so
> > > for programming I use MS Access and VBA.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 4:24PM Paul Wolstenholme <
> > > Paul.W at industrialcontrol.co.nz> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Arthur,
> > > >
> > > > I recommend installing www.portableapps.com and installing
> > > > LibreOffice Portable Still from that.  Updates are automatic (and
> > > > bundled with updates to other useful PortableApps stuff). The
> > > > LibreOffice Portable Fresh version updates itself more often than I
> > > > would like. Installing LibreOffice directly from  LibreOffice never
> > > > was good at keeping itself up to date without a manual process to
> > > > update each PC that I tired of.  I switched from OpenOffice to
> > > > LibreOffice way back at version 4. I did have to tell windows that
> > > > various file types should be opened using the LibreOffice .exe
> > > > located within the hard drive folder structure I assigned
> > > > PortableApps to use.  That is a one time exercise per PC.
> > > >
> > > > This could save you from getting frustrated in a few years time
> > > > after microsoft convince their customers to use even newer features
> > > > designed to not work in today's LibreOffice.  Compatibility will be
> > > > maintained.
> > > >
> > > > Paul Wolstenholme
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 at 00:50, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well hello there.  Long time no see.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 1:32AM Juergen Welz <jwelz at hotmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I've had some experience with Libre Office and there's some
> > > > > > funky stuff but the price is certainly right and its support for
> > > > > > most of the MS
> > > > > office
> > > > > > suite file formats is really brilliant.  But then, I still own
> > > > > > Office
> > > > > 2003
> > > > > > and still write some new Access code on Win 11 PCs with it.  I
> > > > > > just did some soccer team management and spectator photo pass
> > > > > > retrieval via QR
> > > > > code
> > > > > > scan input.  Why get a two ton press when all you need is a
> > > > > > single
> > > > light
> > > > > > tap with a hammer.  I gave up on buying updated Microsoft
> > > > > > applications
> > > > > when
> > > > > > they introduced the ribbon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jurgen Welz
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: AccessD
> > > > > > <accessd-bounces+jwelz=hotmail.com at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > on
> > > > > > behalf of Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2023 7:42:50 PM
> > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> > > > > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS 365 Upgrade to Family
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This aggravation proved just too much, I've decided to abandon
> > > > > > the MS
> > > > > suite
> > > > > > and begin learning the LibreOffice stuff, for starters.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will still keep my old 2016 versions, but I think that my
> > > > > > experience today sort of broke the bond I thought we had.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think that it's time to explore LibreOffice and PostGrSQL in
> > > > > > depth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I realize that I am a krill in their ocean of customers, but
> > > > > > given that
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > retired, who gives a s**t about what I think? I'm going to
> > > > > > embark on an intensive program studying the LibreOffice stuff,
> > > > > > concentrating on Base (its DBMS), but  looking to see what I can
> > > > > > duplicate in the absence of
> > > > > VBA.
> > > > > > I know that Base offers an equivalent language, so that's Step
> > > > > > One.
> > > > Then
> > > > > we
> > > > > > shall see where it goes from there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 6:42 PM Kathryn Bassett
> > > > > > <kathryn at bassett.net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > And Family comes with 5 more seats, so I've installed on Dave,
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > sister,
> > > > > > > and 2 of Arlene's computers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: AccessD <accessd-
> > > > > > > > bounces+kathryn=bassett.net at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf
> > > > > > > > Of
> > > > Susan
> > > > > > > > Harkins
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2023 11:47 AM
> > > > > > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS 365 Upgrade to Family
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I can only speak from my own experience. My 365 license
> > > > > > > > comes with
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Power apps and some of them are powerful apps. With the
> > > > > > > > Power apps
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > SharePoint (which comes with my 365 license), I have an
> > > > > > > > incredible
> > > > > > number
> > > > > > > > of easy-to-use tools at my disposal. I'd not go back.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Susan H.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What's the advantage then of 385 over say O2021?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
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