MartyConnelly
martyconnelly at shaw.ca
Thu Nov 18 20:28:51 CST 2004
I dont know if they have upgraded the Lynx text browser but I still use an email account that uses PINE and Lynx that I access through DOS Telnet.. With a text browser unless the web site is set up for the blind, you will be doing a lot of guessing on what to click. I have had the account since 1991. But you wont get any viruses unless you download them and purposely install it. My earliest long distance remote computing was 1968 using an APL terminal (IBM daisywriter) from Ottawa U to Laval U. The documentation on APL programming was all in French. Very traumatic. That's why my code looks weird. That's my story and I am sticking to it. Arthur Fuller wrote: > Like Shamil, I got into the net in about 1994; might have been even > earlier. I used to run a BBS (since 1988) then discovered the net and > ported all my tech support to that platform. It was still text mode > back then -- and I wish someone would write a modern browser that did > only text mode! F**k the ads and the graphics and all the other visual > candy! I just want data. > > A. > > John W. Colby wrote: > >> I don't have a clue where you got into that net. At a university? I >> worked >> at many companies and NOBODY had any access to "the internet", nobody I >> talked to knew anything about it, never mentioned it etc. There were no >> ISPs that I am aware of. I have just done a scan for history of the >> internet and find that the term itself was codified in 1995, at which >> time >> there were roughly 50,000 networks on the internet; in 1993 only about >> 19,000 networks attached. >> >> I am quite well aware that the foundation existed clear back in the >> 60s and >> 70s, but my point was that today you can jump on the internet and >> "google" >> any subject you want and end up with thousands of hits. In 1994 you >> somehow >> had access to a MS Access newsgroup. Having access to a newsgroup and >> having access to billions of pages of information on any subject you >> care to >> read about are two very different things. >> >> Kinda like comparing an office building to a group of women sitting >> round >> the campfire in front of the cave. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: >> http://folding.stanford.edu/ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil >> Salakhetdinov >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:39 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET >> >> >> No, John :) >> >> The newsgroup was very active and these were very interesting times when >> everybody were equally unaware what MS Access is and to find a new >> application of a feature or how to better process a certain event was >> really >> helpful for quite some participants of this newsgroup... ...when I've >> first >> got ADH for MS Access 2.0 in 1995 I didn't find something really new >> to read >> from it... >> >> Shamil >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" >> <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> >> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:24 AM >> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET >> >> >> >> >>> Shamil, >>> >>> That's about like saying the caveman had office buildings because the >>> >> >> women >> >> >>> sat around a campfire in front of the cave. >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>> >>> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: >>> http://folding.stanford.edu/ >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil >>> Salakhetdinov >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:07 PM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET >>> >>> >>> <<< >>> in 1994 and there was no internet. >>> >>> John, >>> >>> It was Internet that time! >>> AFAIKR I did participate in usenet MS Access newgroup starting May >>> or July 1994 :) ... >>> >>> Shamil >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> >>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:31 AM >>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> ROTFL. >>>> >>>> I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days >>>> learning Access, when all the millions of properties and events >>>> were so much Greek, and you had no idea what an object model was, >>>> never mind how to find it or how to interpret it. >>>> >>>> I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or >>>> with Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event >>>> driven "how can you ever know where the code is going to execute >>>> next". I really got into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was >>>> no internet. There was no Access Users Group, in fact I was on the >>>> BOD of the San Diego Users Group sitting in on that first meeting >>>> singing "halleluiah" that I would finally have someone to talk to >>>> about Access. Once a month users group meetings. There were very >>>> few books, and the ADH was waaaaay over my head. >>>> >>>> Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is >>>> indeed "chocolates on the pillow". >>>> >>>> John W. Colby >>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>>> >>>> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: >>>> http://folding.stanford.edu/ >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W. >>>> >>> >>> Erbach >>> >>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:06 PM >>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Group, >>>> >>>> For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to >>>> describe the difference between writing an application in Microsoft >>>> Access and writing that same application using .NET technologies. >>>> >>>> Microsoft Access is like living in a luxury hotel with hot and cold >>>> >>> >>> running >>> >>> >>>> chamber maids, laundry service, shoe shining service, room service, >>>> beds made every day, carpet vacuumed every day, fresh flowers every >>>> day, fresh linen, those nifty little soaps and bottles of shampoo, >>>> Magic Fingers massage bed, chocolates on the pillow, and your >>>> favorite newspaper >>>> >>> >>> unfolded >>> >>> >>>> to the financial page for you. >>>> >>>> .NET is like clearing a wooded hillside to build a vacation >>>> cottage. But first you have to learn how to operate a bulldozer to >>>> clear the woods. >>>> >>> >>> Then >>> >>> >>>> you have to figure out for yourself the most efficient use of block >>>> and tackle to haul the trees out of the way. Oh, did I mention that >>>> you have >>>> >>> >>> to >>> >>> >>>> build a road to the site first? Then you need to stack the logs onto a >>>> >>> >>> truck >>> >>> >>>> and drive it yourself to the sawmill so that you can saw the logs >>>> into boards to use to build your house. You might want to learn how >>>> to smelt metal so that you can make your own nails and hammer and >>>> such... >>>> >>>> It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many reference >>>> books and have them open at the same time. >>>> >>>> Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development? >>>> >>>> Steve Erbach >>>> Neenah, WI >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada