[dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play)

I suppose I could have re-installed the software. But I didn't... I've
never had this type of problem btw, w/ any other software firewall....

Some companies (Adelphia) have been known to spill this type of advice
when the end user has a hardware firewall and a software firrewall and
has trouble connecting to the net.  It's not good advise... but then
end users who have too much security and then do not know how to use
it often have more frustrations... they need to be taught how to use
it, not to disable it.






On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:44:57 +0100, Jon Tydda <jon.tydda at alcontrol.co.uk> wrote:
> No, and that's really dumb advice...
> 
> Being too secure is like having too much money... I can't see it happening!
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: 30 September 2004 15:43
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play)
> 
> You are correct in your assumptions! Like I said, I've never had this issue
> happen to me. Doesn't mean it can't happen!
> :o)
> 
> At this point I would have uninstalled the entire suite. cleaned the PC and
> reinstalled it. The most problematic NIS installation I worked on (nothing
> compared to your example) was one where the owner installed it.
> 
> On this subject I just got off the phone with a small business client who
> recently moved his office complex from Cable access to DSL (cost wise was
> much better). He has been having problems with just about everything since
> then. He just called and asked me to come and straighten it out for him. He
> had called the DSL company support this morning and had a tech tell him that
> they couldn't help him while he was running a firewall and anti-virus
> program AND that these things were totally unnecessary with their internet
> access because of their security. He said the tech claimed that the router
> was all the protection he needed.
> 
> Anyone else heard this kind of advice lately?!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
> Tapia
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:09 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play
> 
> Yes I did try to invoke "Permit All" from the Firewall configuration,
> under the Programs Tab, I found IE and FireFox, I set both of them
> from Automatic to Permit All, while the Firewall was invoked, there
> was NO internet access.  I disabled the NIS firewall and I had my
> internet back, I installed Sygate Personal Firewall, reboot, and
> resumed using the pc, this time I was able to get to the internet w/
> either IE or FireFox depending on their Allow/Block stataus.
> 
> so to me NIS was a hassle... IF the program has been given "PERMIT
> ALL" status for communication, I understand that to mean that the
> program has FULL permissions to access the INTERNET.
> 
> what part of that am I confusing?
> 
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