[dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation

John,
  You make an interesting case, I've used spysweeper and pest pastrol
on my system and found them that they were trying to clober my "wise
instalbuilder" product.  I use this product on a regular bais to
deploy my in house application.  I thought it odd that spysweeper and
pest patrol would find items in the wise folder and would try to
delete them... (things such as unwise.exe)

I used counterspy on a machine that was heavily plauged w/ spyware and
would be scheduled for an fdisk,... counterspy did not locate the
vumundo spyware that was on there.. for that matter neither did any of
the 3 freebies that I mentioned.. I had to search google to find the
fix.  So I can't refer people to pay for a product that won't help
them, instead i've directed users to products such as firefox w/
adblock and noscript.  this ensures that code can't run on sites that
are questionable.

and while I agree that sygate is dead as a product, i have yet to find
a suitable replacement for it.  I've used keiro but not in the recent
months that sunbelt has acuired it.  i may take another look, but i
can't recomend it at this time... I found that while surfing you can't
completely stealth your system w/ it.  and the last time I used it you
could only granularly allow programs through on the paid version.



On 3/15/06, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Francisco,
> If they weren't better than the 3 freebies I wouldn't make an issue of it,
> but you are clearly mistaken. And I'm not a brand name adherent (as anyone
> that reads my posts would know). Do your own evaluation of all of them at
> the same time and you'll never make such a statement again. MS anti-spyware
> is a joke these days (I still use it PCs where they won't PAY for a real
> time anti-spyware program). It holds up well to the statement "its better
> than nothing".
>
> I also use Spybot S&D and Adaware (and a number of other products) on a
> regular basis and they just don't compare. Often times they will claim to
> have removed the malware but haven't or in the case of Spybot will want to
> do a scan at startup which rarely accomplishes anything. Don't get me wrong,
> I love those products. They will install and run in safe mode CS won't
> <grr>. And they are better than MS's. But they don't hold up against
> CounterSpy, Pest Patrol or SpySweeper. These three are consistently top
> rated while others bounce up and down depending who's doing the rating.
> CounterSpy actually uses the MS-AS malware database as ONE of its THREE data
> sources (because they had a contract before MS bought Giant) so how you can
> claim that MS-AS is better I just don't know! I hope MS does come through
> with a decent AS product but I'm not waiting for the day.
>
> If you know about anti-spyware, you also know that at this point in time no
> one product will detect and remove all spyware.
>
> As far as firewalls go, I agree, Sygate PF is great. I probably learned
> about it from this list years ago. But its dead. Therefore I replaced it
> with Kerio, which I probably learned about from this list too. So while
> Kerio will only get better, Sygate will only get antiquated. And the real
> big catch is: how do I refer people to a dead product?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:52 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Antivirus Activation
>
> i dunno , i've used these products before and my general thoughts were that
> they don't hold their own against quality products such as spybot or adaware
> or even MS's antispyware. for firewalls, i still quite prefer sygate. I
> haven't ran into something that is better for the monies. tho now that
> symantec bought them only to kill the product.
>
>


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-Francisco
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