Jim Lawrence
accessd at shaw.ca
Fri Nov 23 11:26:07 CST 2007
Good investigative work Erwin. I understand, though have not used myself, an excellent free app for extending the capabilities on your computer, for walking file dependencies called dependency walker: http://www.dependencywalker.com/ Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 7:15 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Out of system resources Windows XP- SOLVED After along search I finally solved this issue.. I tried so many things that I'm not really sure what the problem was but I followed this thread. http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-531691.php >From this thread I understood that there is such a thing as invisible dependencies!!! A few weeks ago, possibly when this problem started I disabled the Windows Firewall. I turned it off via network but afterwards noticed that the service still automatically starts. Living with the knowledge you better not have two firewalls on the same computer I disabled the Windows Firewall service. And apparently this is not the way to go. As soon as I set the Windows Firewall to automatic (but still off in network), followed with the DCOM steps in the above thread and ran the WMIdiag.vbs script, my notebook is back at full speed. It now boots in +/ 3 minutes (which is normal taking the mass of apps I have) instead of 10 minutes. Also normal work after logon is faster. I also got rid of the mass of page faults which are now pretty stable at 100,000 for svchost. I already noticed that when I disable the WMI service the pagefaults descended from more than 1,000,000 (and rising right after login) to +/ 100.000. So I suspect there was some corruption the WMI database and/or some invisible dependency problem with WMI/Windows Firewall due to disabling the service. Strange there was not a single error in the event viewer to point me in this direction.... Anyway, I'm back at full speed.... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 3:18 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Out of system resources Windows XP I'm getting insane about this.... -Ran Memory checker:no problem -All files virus scan: is off, I always turn this off. The boot/logon is faster when turning the Virusscanner off but not in a way that this resolves the slowness. -Works perfectly normal in my second Windows XP or third Vista boot, so no hardware problem. -Removed Office 2007 and 2003 and reinstalled again. This resulted in a (temporary) lower page faults until I installed 2003/SP3. Based on what I see with the File Monitor tool from MS Sys Internals, but I must say I can only open the tool when my notebook get responsive after +/-10 minutes booting, I see that patches in the Windows\installer folder are always accessed at each reboot/logon So I'm suspecting that my computer is in some kind of infinite loop to silent install patches/updates or even repair something that is (or not) damaged. I see them accessing mostly the Office 2003/SP3 update and Frontpage 2003/SP3 update. But again that is at the very end of the slowness of login on. If I'm not mistaking that Office 2003/SP3 was released a few weeks ago? That could be corresponding with the time I started to have this slow boot/logon issue. As my registry is pretty huge 73MB, I noticed that the Software\Classes key takes up 22MB and the Software\Microsoft\Windows\currentversion\Installer\Userdata\S-1-5-18 7.8MB. Used multiple registry scanners but none of them have problems with these keys. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:57 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Out of system resources Windows XP It really sounds like the virus checker is doing an "on load scan" meaning it is scanning every file as it loads into memory. That is great if you don't keep yp with virus scanning but it can slow the system way down. See if you can figure out how to tell the virus checker to not do the On Load scan and see if that helps. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:08 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Out of system resources Windows XP Since a couple of weeks I get "Out of System Resources" errors in Windows XP. The last time I saw this error was in Windows for Workgroups 3.11!!! I get weird symptons like righ clicks menus that are not complete etc when this starts. I'm getting these errors more and more but I cant find what is causing this. My computer is also pretty slow logging in. Ineed to wait for +/-10 minutes before I can do somthing. This whole time it is very busy on my disk, causing the slowdown. I already removed several programs (like Office 2007) , but it does not improve or only for a short time. In the old days there was a small tool which u could use to see the system resources but I don't seem to find some like that. Old WfW users, like myself, know "System resources" has nothing to do with free disk or RAM space. As I have 2GB (800MB in use) of RAM and a disk of 160GB with 56GB free, this is clearly not the issue. I do have a very big SOFTWARE registry (73MB), but I already compressed it after scanning with various tools to find unnecesary registry entries. I already managed to reduce it from 87MB. I'm pretty sure it's no virus or trojan, I'm pretty well protected at several levels and do have experiance in looking for virus/trojan evidence. There are no important errors in the even log. So I'm pretty much in the dark over here about this. I'm not willing to reïnstall my Windows because this is to timeconsuming, it takes me more than a week to reïnstall all software and I will be replacing my laptop somewhere next year... Also tried several registry changes but with no important difference. I do notice a hugh amount of pagefaults for svchost.exe (more than 1.000.000) and Explorer (more than 200,000). and rising Altough a pagefault is not an error but a sign of swapping from disk to ram I find the amount very high and for testing purposes I turned of the pagefile because I have suffuciant RAM (2GB). The page faults still occur, which I find bizare. Anyone that can point me in the good direction or propose a tool to see what is consuming my system resources? Thx Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder Internetwinkel op www.ithelps.be/shop <http://www.ithelps.be/shop> http://www.linkedin.com/in/erwincraps www.ithelps.be/onsgezin bezoek ook eens de website van mijn zus www.friedacraps.be <http://www.friedacraps.be/> This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. 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