[dba-Tech] Out of system resources Windows XP- SOLVED

Erwin Craps - IT Helps Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu
Sun Nov 25 06:44:18 CST 2007


Great!

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 6:26 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Out of system resources Windows XP- SOLVED

Good investigative work Erwin. 

I understand, though have not used myself, an excellent free app for
extending the capabilities on your computer, for walking file dependencies
called dependency walker: http://www.dependencywalker.com/ 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 7:15 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Out of system resources Windows XP- SOLVED

After along search I finally solved this issue..

I tried so many things that I'm not really sure what the problem was but I
followed this thread.
http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-531691.php

>From this thread I understood that there is such a thing as invisible
dependencies!!!

A few weeks ago, possibly when this problem started I disabled the Windows
Firewall. I turned it off via network but afterwards noticed that the
service still automatically  starts.
Living with the knowledge you better not have two firewalls on the same
computer I disabled the Windows Firewall service. And apparently this is not
the way to go.
As soon as I set the Windows Firewall to automatic (but still off in
network), followed with the DCOM steps in the above thread and ran the
WMIdiag.vbs script, my notebook is back at full speed.
It now boots in +/ 3 minutes (which is normal taking the mass of apps I
have) instead of 10 minutes.
Also normal work after logon is faster. I also got rid of the mass of page
faults which are now pretty stable at 100,000 for svchost. I already noticed
that when I disable the WMI service the pagefaults descended from more than
1,000,000 (and rising right after login) to +/ 100.000.

So I suspect there was some corruption the WMI database and/or some
invisible dependency problem with WMI/Windows Firewall due to disabling the
service.
Strange there was not a single error in the event viewer to point me in this
direction....

Anyway, I'm back at full speed....



Erwin







-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 3:18 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Out of system resources Windows XP

I'm getting insane about this....


-Ran Memory checker:no problem
-All files virus scan: is off, I always turn this off. The boot/logon is
faster when turning the Virusscanner off but not in a way that this resolves
the slowness.
-Works perfectly normal in my second Windows XP or third Vista boot, so no
hardware problem.

-Removed Office 2007 and 2003 and reinstalled again. This resulted in a
(temporary) lower page faults until I installed 2003/SP3.

Based on what I see with the File Monitor tool from MS Sys Internals, but I
must say I can only open the tool when my notebook get responsive after
+/-10 minutes booting, I see that patches in the Windows\installer folder
are always accessed at each reboot/logon
So I'm suspecting that my computer is in some kind of infinite loop to
silent install patches/updates or even repair something that is (or not)
damaged. I see them accessing mostly the Office 2003/SP3 update and
Frontpage 2003/SP3 update. But again that is at the very end of the slowness
of login on.
If I'm not mistaking that Office 2003/SP3 was released a few weeks ago? That
could be corresponding with the time I started to have this slow boot/logon
issue.


As my registry is pretty huge 73MB, I noticed that the Software\Classes key
takes up 22MB and the
Software\Microsoft\Windows\currentversion\Installer\Userdata\S-1-5-18 7.8MB.
Used multiple registry scanners but none of them have problems with these
keys.






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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:57 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Out of system resources Windows XP

It really sounds like the virus checker is doing an "on load scan" meaning
it is scanning every file as it loads into memory.  That is great if you
don't keep yp with virus scanning but it can slow the system way down.  See
if you can figure out how to tell the virus checker to not do the On Load
scan and see if that helps. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:08 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Out of system resources Windows XP

Since a couple of weeks I get "Out of System Resources" errors in Windows
XP.
The last time I saw this error was in Windows for Workgroups 3.11!!!
 
I get weird symptons like righ clicks menus that are not complete etc when
this starts.
I'm getting these errors more and more but I cant find what is causing this.
 
My computer is also pretty slow logging in. Ineed to wait for +/-10 minutes
before I can do somthing. This whole time it is very busy on my disk,
causing the slowdown.
 
I already removed several programs (like Office 2007) , but it does not
improve or only for a short time.
In the old days there was a small tool which u could use to see the system
resources but I don't seem to find some like that.
Old WfW users, like myself,  know "System resources" has nothing to do with
free disk or RAM space.
As I have 2GB (800MB in use) of RAM and a disk of 160GB with 56GB free, this
is clearly not the issue.
 
I do have a very big SOFTWARE registry (73MB), but I already compressed it
after scanning with various tools to find unnecesary registry entries.
I already managed to reduce it from 87MB.
I'm pretty sure it's no virus or trojan, I'm pretty well protected at
several levels and do have experiance in looking for virus/trojan evidence. 
There are no important errors in the even log.
 
So I'm pretty much in the dark over here about this. I'm not willing to
reïnstall my Windows because this is to timeconsuming, it takes me more than
a week to reïnstall all software and I will be replacing my laptop somewhere
next year...
Also tried several registry changes but with no important difference.
 
 
I do notice a hugh amount of pagefaults for svchost.exe (more than
1.000.000) and Explorer (more than 200,000). and rising Altough a pagefault
is not an error but a sign of swapping from disk to ram I find the amount
very high and for testing purposes I turned of the pagefile because I have
suffuciant RAM (2GB). The page faults still occur, which I find bizare.
 
Anyone that can point me in the good direction or propose a tool to see what
is consuming my system resources?
 
 
Thx
 
 

Erwin Craps

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