Hans-Christian Andersen
hans.andersen at phulse.com
Sun Dec 16 15:43:55 CST 2012
This concerns the Win32 API in more detail, from the horses mouth: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2012/05/why-windows-classic-.html If this isn't sufficient for you, then you might need to explain what kind of facts you are looking for. - Hans On 2012-12-16, at 10:36 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > But I asked you to post a link where there would be presented real facts how MS is blocking/limiting third-party development on WindowsRT (ARM version) platform. It happens there are no such facts. The issue of WindowsRT (ARM version) being unable to run native x86 apps is equally "limiting" MS as it "limits" third-party developers, isn't it? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > Пятница, 14 декабря 2012, 15:25 от Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>: >> >>> But the article states that EU currently does not see that MS is limiting somehow third party development under WinRT, doesn't it? >> >> No, they simply said they didn't feel it was worth laying down the law on Microsoft for this. They did not say anything about whether or not Microsoft was in fact limiting 3rd party access to APIs in WinRT. >> >>> In Win8 you can unpin IE icon from desktop taskbar, you can setup Google Chrome or whatever else browser you like, set that browser a default one, remove IE tile from "Metro style" START screen etc. >> >> That is true. You can do that (although somewhat inconvenient) in Windows 8 and Intel based Win8 tablets. >> >> But, on ARM based Windows RT tablets, as I assume you know, you cannot run any applications in classic mode other than Office, explorer and IE (I think that's about it). Any other apps on Windows RT has to be a Metro application and is therefore has restrictions placed in it and the classic desktop is a restricted space for users. >> >> >> >> Please fully read the pasted answers from Microsoft below: >> >> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_rt-windows_install/faq-windows-rt-and-windows-8/06bd1ac1-c7ba-40ce-8baa-3f4773944cd9 >> >> Q: What are some of the disadvantages of Windows RT? >> A: Windows RT cannot run traditional desktop x86 applications. For that users will be best served by choosing a Windows x86 device. Windows RT devices cannot run classic desktop applications such as Windows Media Player. Also, Windows RT cannot join a Windows Domain and must access resources on a business network using other means configured by a Company’s IT to support RT based devices. >> >> Q: Can my existing library of Windows x86 applications run on Windows RT? >> No, traditional desktop applications that run on the x86 architecture from Intel and AMD will not work on Windows RT on ARM. So for example, Adobe Photoshop CS5 or Microsoft Office 2010 will not run on Windows RT on ARM. Microsoft is restricting third party applications on Windows RT to just the Metro design language. The Windows Desktop App in Windows RT is a restricted environment just for File Explorer and Microsoft Office 2013 applications. >> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> Hans-Christian Andersen >> >> >> On 14 Dec 2012, at 14:29, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: >> >>> Hans -- >>> >>> Thank you for the link. >>> But the article states that EU currently does not see that MS is limiting somehow third party development under WinRT, doesn't it? >>> >>> ""We have looked at Windows RT, and on the basis of our investigation so far, there are no grounds to pursue further investigation on this particular issue," Joaquin Almunia, the EU's head antitrust official, said at a news conference Wednesday. "But we will closely monitor all the elements of the Windows software and how Microsoft complies to [its] commitments." >>> Almunia's agency fielded complaints last summer that accused Microsoft of stymying other browser makers' efforts to build software that runs in Windows RT, the offshoot of Windows 8 designed for ARM-powered tablets." >>> In Win8 you can unpin IE icon from desktop taskbar, you can setup Google Chrome or whatever else browser you like, set that browser a default one, remove IE tile from "Metro style" START screen etc. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> >>> Пятница, 14 декабря 2012, 7:15 от Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >: >>>> >>>> Here you go: >>>> >>>> EU antitrust regulators let Microsoft limit browsers on Windows RT - >>>> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9232884/EU_antitrust_regulators_let_Microsoft_limit_browsers_on_Windows_RT >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Hans-Christian Andersen >>>> >>>> >>>> On 14 Dec 2012, at 02:57, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: >>>> >>>>> <<< >>>>> On WinRT, Microsoft restricts access to APIs to the extent that its impossible. >>>>> Please provide links on information proving that statement. >>>>> At least for WinRT one can develop apps using HTML5 and JavaScript running within IE instance probably - do you mean WinRT will block external third-parties API/Web services calls even in this case? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com