[dba-Tech] Win 7 Prof network puzzle

On 3/13/2012 8:55 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Perry:
>
> One final comment of the Windows7 and XP networking controversy.
>
> When Microsoft created the TCP/IP networking stack for the XP, it was
> ordered to search first for pier to pier workgroups and then a domain
> controller. The brand spanking new TCP/IP networking stack for Windows 7 had
> the reverse order in which it first looked the domain controller and once
> that was found, it would then, if directed via the setup, look for a
> workgroup.
>
> I have only worked on networks with domain controllers so I would never run
> into the issues you have.
>
> What happens is the Win7 spends up to 5 minutes trying to find its network
> domain controller, equally as long when contacted via XP and when that fails
> will reluctantly start looking for any WG. An XP box trying to get access to
> a Win7 box basically gives up trying by then.
>
> Within programming there is a couple of links that may assist is getting XP
> and Win7 to talk:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa377522(VS.85).aspx
> ...and...
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa376851(v=VS.85).aspx
>
> The above are just commands allowing you as a programmer, to wait out Win7's
> super slow acknowledgement and not a real fix.
>
> The only real fix for this problem is to get with the program...that is
> either replace all your XP stations with Win7 or install a real Server, with
> AD, setting up server to station policies and setup user server login
> accounts.

Life's way too short to organise round Micro$haft, we're not about to 
reconfigure all these boxes just to comply with Win 7 architecture.

> Microsoft has decided that the defunct/depreciated security risky
> desktop of XP is not worth spending any more time or money on supporting as
> it runs out completely by June of this year.

Their version of scheduled obsolescence. Ain't gonna play.

PB

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>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:34 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 7 Prof network puzzle
>
> On 3/12/2012 12:15 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Hi Peter:
>>
>> That is interesting. I think Windows7 of XP protocols between each other
> are
>> not 100 percent compatible but if you use a statement that uses the
> absolute
>> IP address you should have no problem.
> But IPs are assigned dynamically, so when a machine disappears from the
> network for a day or three, and others reboot, we're screwed.
>
>> I do not have or traditionally work with networks that are domain type
> which
>> means everything is centrally controlled through the Active Directory and
>> the policies setup. Other than that I connect to the servers and station
> via
>> Remote desktop protocol RDP.
> That meets some needs, not ours. We have one *Nix box, five Win boxes
> and two tablets. Together they support a biz, a professional practice, a
> set of web development environments&  projects, a music server, and two
> authors, such that most machines need access to the innards of many
> others. If Microsoft designers don't approve of such a requirement, they
> can go screw.
>
>> But you can connect avoiding forcing the network to resolve the UNC by
>> keying in the IP address: \\192.168.134.100\MyShare. (That is assuming
> that
>> the Windows7 computer is 192.168.134.100) If you then have a user, other
>> than the administrator, you will be able to connect, entering the
>> appropriate username and password.
> Thanks for the suggestion, but see above.
>
> Windows 7 gives us yet more Microsoft (in)security fixes for their daft
> mutually interpenetrating bloatware architecture. Ugh.
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
>> HTH
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 12:04 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 7 Prof network puzzle
>>
>> Mebbe I should ask the question this way:
>>
>> Has*anybody* succeeded is accessing a Win 7 Pro hard drive from an XP
>> Pro machine? If yes, how'd you do it?
>>
>> PB
>>
>>
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