Jim Lawrence
accessd at shaw.ca
Tue Mar 13 20:55:13 CDT 2012
Hi Perry: One final comment of the Windows7 and XP networking controversy. When Microsoft created the TCP/IP networking stack for the XP, it was ordered to search first for pier to pier workgroups and then a domain controller. The brand spanking new TCP/IP networking stack for Windows 7 had the reverse order in which it first looked the domain controller and once that was found, it would then, if directed via the setup, look for a workgroup. I have only worked on networks with domain controllers so I would never run into the issues you have. What happens is the Win7 spends up to 5 minutes trying to find its network domain controller, equally as long when contacted via XP and when that fails will reluctantly start looking for any WG. An XP box trying to get access to a Win7 box basically gives up trying by then. Within programming there is a couple of links that may assist is getting XP and Win7 to talk: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa377522(VS.85).aspx ...and... http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa376851(v=VS.85).aspx The above are just commands allowing you as a programmer, to wait out Win7's super slow acknowledgement and not a real fix. The only real fix for this problem is to get with the program...that is either replace all your XP stations with Win7 or install a real Server, with AD, setting up server to station policies and setup user server login accounts. Microsoft has decided that the defunct/depreciated security risky desktop of XP is not worth spending any more time or money on supporting as it runs out completely by June of this year. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:34 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 7 Prof network puzzle On 3/12/2012 12:15 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Peter: > > That is interesting. I think Windows7 of XP protocols between each other are > not 100 percent compatible but if you use a statement that uses the absolute > IP address you should have no problem. But IPs are assigned dynamically, so when a machine disappears from the network for a day or three, and others reboot, we're screwed. > > I do not have or traditionally work with networks that are domain type which > means everything is centrally controlled through the Active Directory and > the policies setup. Other than that I connect to the servers and station via > Remote desktop protocol RDP. That meets some needs, not ours. We have one *Nix box, five Win boxes and two tablets. Together they support a biz, a professional practice, a set of web development environments & projects, a music server, and two authors, such that most machines need access to the innards of many others. If Microsoft designers don't approve of such a requirement, they can go screw. > > But you can connect avoiding forcing the network to resolve the UNC by > keying in the IP address: \\192.168.134.100\MyShare. (That is assuming that > the Windows7 computer is 192.168.134.100) If you then have a user, other > than the administrator, you will be able to connect, entering the > appropriate username and password. Thanks for the suggestion, but see above. Windows 7 gives us yet more Microsoft (in)security fixes for their daft mutually interpenetrating bloatware architecture. Ugh. PB ----- > > HTH > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 12:04 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 7 Prof network puzzle > > Mebbe I should ask the question this way: > > Has*anybody* succeeded is accessing a Win 7 Pro hard drive from an XP > Pro machine? If yes, how'd you do it? > > PB > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com