Hans-Christian Andersen
hans.andersen at phulse.com
Sun May 13 23:36:24 CDT 2012
I do not think space exploration less fruitful than researching/combatting climate change, nor do I think the opposite is true either. I think both are important and choosing one at the complete expense of another is perhaps not the wisest thing to do. My original comment was more of a question rather than a statement of fact. My intention was to point out that there are some inherent complex problems with this distribution of resources. If we stop out efforts to limit the impact that we humans have on our climate and environment, one must then consider what benefit it will be for us to have that enterprise ship in 20 years rather than perhaps 100 years. The ship will only be able to hold a limited amount of people. The universe is a large, hostile place and even our nearest solar systems are extremely far away, with challenges we haven't yet faced (or know how to survive) and we do not even know where to go yet. As far as we know, the earth is the only habitable place, so it seems strange to me to think that any effort to keep this planet habitable for future generations as a waste. In my opinion, both are important, but we should judge their importance through different scales of time and we are just not technologically prepared for distant space travel, even if we somehow manage to build the vehicle. - Hans On 2012-05-13, at 8:05 PM, "Michael Mattys" <michael at mattysconsulting.com> wrote: > Interesting. > > Stuart's comment was about where the needed funds could (not should) come > from in order to build the Enterprise. > Hans sensed a deeper sentiment in Stuart's statement containing the word > 'wasted.' > > Perhaps Stuart means to say that the two endeavors are equally futile or > have equal potential. Perhaps not. > Hans apparently regards expenditure on space exploration as less fruitful > than 'researching/combatting climate change.' > Controlling climate may prove to increase sustainability for constantly > growing humanity. > Then again, it might unleash terrible consequences such as disease. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:00 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years > > > If this discussion is heading towards a debate on whether climate change is > man-made or not, I am not interested in debating this. I found that this is > a waste of time, because I am neither an expert nor do I want to pretend to > be one. > > Hans > > > > On 2012-05-13, at 6:16 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> They are no more similar as concepts as a bicycle is to a fish. >> >> Are you trying to say that "sustainability" is a cure for "climate >> change". If so, we obviously need to agree on what we mean by >> "sustainability" and "climate change" and in what way (if >> any) they are related. >> >> >> >> On 13 May 2012 at 18:01, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >> >>> >>> To be quite frank, I'm not understanding what it is you are objecting to > and why. They are no more different as concepts as a cure is to an illness. > Please be more forthcoming. >>> >>> Hans >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2012-05-13, at 5:23 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >>> >>>> Why do you conflate two totally different concepts? >>>> >>>> What have climate change and sustainability got to do with each other? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 13 May 2012 at 16:33, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then what did you mean by " researching/combatting climate change " ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2012-05-13, at 4:01 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Please don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about > "living more sustainably" >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Stuart >>>>>> >>>>>> On 13 May 2012 at 15:56, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> How would building a single ship make better sense than figuring out > how we can live more sustainably on the only habitable planet that we know > of so far? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Hans-Christian Andersen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 13 May 2012, at 15:08, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We can do it if we divert all the money currently being wasted >>>>>>>> on researching/combatting "climate change" :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Stuart >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 13 May 2012 at 17:04, Arthur Fuller wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From slashdot...An engineer has produced detailed specs of how >>>>>>>>> to build an ion-drive version of The Enterprise within 20 >>>>>>>>> years. I've read it all and studied some parts in detail, and >>>>>>>>> deem it feasible. 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