Salakhetdinov Shamil
mcp2004 at mail.ru
Thu Apr 11 04:27:58 CDT 2013
Hans --
Sorry for my being a bit sharp - I'm objecting on using "naive as communism" words combination in any sense than as an oxymoron - IMO:
- all "communism theoreticians/philosophers" since very ancient times were very cynical at least, or completely crazy at most - being cynical or crazy isn't equivalent to being naive IMO;
- all "communism supporters/guinea pigs" were brain washed and scared to death by their leaders - with the only choice - follow the leaders or die - the supporters/followers weren't naive at all: being brain washed or zombied, and scared to death (often on subconscious level deeply "injected" in one's blood cells) is not equivalent of being naive IMO.
Let's not elaborate more on this OT subject: communism doesn't result in any other reaction here than a deep hatred with a hand subconsciously searching for an ax or a machine gun trigger....
Sorry again for my being a bit sharp.
-- Shamil
Четверг, 11 апреля 2013, 1:38 -07:00 от Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>Sorry, Shamil, but could you just say what it is you are objecting to? I claimed that the fundamental principles behind communism at its core is naive. You objected, saying that it is a contradiction in terms to equate communism to being naive. Please explain why.
>
>Best regards,
>Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
>On 11 Apr 2013, at 00:35, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry, then it sounds very naive.
>>
>> Did you read "We the Living" by Ayn Rand ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_the_Living )?
>>
>> Or "My Little Leniniana" by Venedikt Yerofeyev ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venedikt_Yerofeyev ) - here is the text in Russian ( http://www.gatehouse.ru/lenin/esho/erofeev.shtml )
>>
>> If there exists there an English translation of "Lozhitsia mgla na starye stupeni" by Alexander Chudakov (" http://www.amazon.com/Lozhitsia-mgla-na-starye-stupeni/dp/5969107832/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365664732&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=alexander+chudakov ) then by reading this book one may try to realize how "naive" was communistic regime here, how *real* people lived under its pressure from 1917 till 1991...
>> "Communism goes against human nature" ( http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/hum_303/nature.html ). This statement is proven by "real life brutal experiment" in this country, and unfortunately is still continuing to be proved everyday in many other countries of this small world. Period.
>>
>> Sorry for off-topic.
>> -- Shamil
>> Среда, 10 апреля 2013, 23:29 -07:00 от Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >:
>>> No.
>>>
>>> - Hans
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2013-04-10, at 10:35 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "naive as communism" - used as oxymoron here?
>>>>
>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>
>>>> Среда, 10 апреля 2013, 18:15 -07:00 от Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >:
>>>>> I doubt it. It's human group psychology (herd mentality). If enough people are dumping something, suddenly fear and uncertainty sets in and everyone starts dumping it, even if there is no rational reason to.
>>>>>
>>>>> If everyone is expecting something to crash, then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. The opposite is true.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm willing to bet that, if we saw a big group of people running frantically in one direction, most of us would look around for a moment and blink, and then join them even if you didn't see anything, because you would assume the others have knowledge of something that you do not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is why you need regulations and why those libertarian ideals of pure market capitalism and such are as naive as communism was.
>>>>>
>>>>> Humans are not rational beings.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Hans
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2013-04-10, at 5:32 PM, "Rocky Smolin" < rockysmolin at bchacc.com > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity, collectible -
>>>>>> anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months. IME, only two things -
>>>>>> feverish speculation and manipulation. IME, nothing fundamental would ever
>>>>>> cause that. Given the nature of bitcoin - unregulated, no real assets
>>>>>> behind it really - I suspect a combination of the two with the emphasis on
>>>>>> manipulation. It smells of a 'pump and dump' scheme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> R
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
>>>>>> Andersen
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
>>>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Hans
>>>> <<< skipped >>>