Jim Lawrence
accessd at shaw.ca
Thu Apr 11 10:51:46 CDT 2013
Just a note and not wishing to continue this thread further but I tend not
to blame the political theory of Communism just those applying it. A
dictatorship regardless of the politic face used is still just a
dictatorship.
The Israelis have been practicing Communism, in communities called Kibbutz
(sp) for over 50 years. The difference is that it is all voluntary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz
Jim
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Shamil
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Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: "naive as communism" - Was:Re[2]: Bitcoins
Hans --
Sorry for my being a bit sharp - I'm objecting on using "naive as communism"
words combination in any sense than as an oxymoron - IMO:
- all "communism theoreticians/philosophers" since very ancient times were
very cynical at least, or completely crazy at most - being cynical or crazy
isn't equivalent to being naive IMO;
- all "communism supporters/guinea pigs" were brain washed and scared to
death by their leaders - with the only choice - follow the leaders or die -
the supporters/followers weren't naive at all: being brain washed or
zombied, and scared to death (often on subconscious level deeply "injected"
in one's blood cells) is not equivalent of being naive IMO.
Let's not elaborate more on this OT subject: communism doesn't result in any
other reaction here than a deep hatred with a hand subconsciously searching
for an ax or a machine gun trigger....
Sorry again for my being a bit sharp.
-- Shamil
Четверг, 11 апреля 2013, 1:38 -07:00 от Hans-Christian Andersen
<hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>Sorry, Shamil, but could you just say what it is you are objecting to? I
claimed that the fundamental principles behind communism at its core is
naive. You objected, saying that it is a contradiction in terms to equate
communism to being naive. Please explain why.
>
>Best regards,
>Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
>On 11 Apr 2013, at 00:35, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry, then it sounds very naive.
>>
>> Did you read "We the Living" by Ayn Rand (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_the_Living )?
>>
>> Or "My Little Leniniana" by Venedikt Yerofeyev (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venedikt_Yerofeyev ) - here is the text in
Russian ( http://www.gatehouse.ru/lenin/esho/erofeev.shtml )
>>
>> If there exists there an English translation of "Lozhitsia mgla na starye
stupeni" by Alexander Chudakov ("
http://www.amazon.com/Lozhitsia-mgla-na-starye-stupeni/dp/5969107832/ref=sr_
1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365664732&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=alexander+chudakov )
then by reading this book one may try to realize how "naive" was communistic
regime here, how *real* people lived under its pressure from 1917 till
1991...
>> "Communism goes against human nature" (
http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/hum_303/nature.html ). This statement is
proven by "real life brutal experiment" in this country, and unfortunately
is still continuing to be proved everyday in many other countries of this
small world. Period.
>>
>> Sorry for off-topic.
>> -- Shamil
>> Среда, 10 апреля 2013, 23:29 -07:00 от Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com >:
>>> No.
>>>
>>> - Hans
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2013-04-10, at 10:35 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
wrote:
>>>
>>>> "naive as communism" - used as oxymoron here?
>>>>
>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>
>>>> Среда, 10 апреля 2013, 18:15 -07:00 от Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com >:
>>>>> I doubt it. It's human group psychology (herd mentality). If enough
people are dumping something, suddenly fear and uncertainty sets in and
everyone starts dumping it, even if there is no rational reason to.
>>>>>
>>>>> If everyone is expecting something to crash, then it becomes a self
fulfilling prophecy. The opposite is true.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm willing to bet that, if we saw a big group of people running
frantically in one direction, most of us would look around for a moment and
blink, and then join them even if you didn't see anything, because you would
assume the others have knowledge of something that you do not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is why you need regulations and why those libertarian ideals of
pure market capitalism and such are as naive as communism was.
>>>>>
>>>>> Humans are not rational beings.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Hans
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2013-04-10, at 5:32 PM, "Rocky Smolin" < rockysmolin at bchacc.com >
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity,
collectible -
>>>>>> anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months. IME, only two things
-
>>>>>> feverish speculation and manipulation. IME, nothing fundamental
would ever
>>>>>> cause that. Given the nature of bitcoin - unregulated, no real
assets
>>>>>> behind it really - I suspect a combination of the two with the
emphasis on
>>>>>> manipulation. It smells of a 'pump and dump' scheme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> R
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Hans-Christian
>>>>>> Andersen
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
>>>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Hans
>>>> <<< skipped >>>
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