Hans-Christian Andersen
hans.andersen at phulse.com
Wed May 22 05:01:26 CDT 2013
> Please post some samples for general purpose programming languages and OSes. http://wiki.python.org/moin/ParallelProcessing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Central_Dispatch http://embarcaderos.net/2011/01/23/parallel-processing-and-multi-core-utilization-with-java/ http://blogs.msdn.com/b/csharpfaq/archive/2010/06/01/parallel-programming-in-net-framework-4-getting-started.aspx etc... > True for yesterday, partially true for today, could become false tomorrow as C/C++ standards evolve in Java/C#/functional programming languages direction, and they (C/C++) are getting more and more (open source) libraries to support all kinds of software development subject areas. I don't know how you are arriving at this conclusion. There are so many fields of software development where dropping down to C/C++ is completely out of the question regardless of the evolution in standards and libraries - ie. web application development, sys administration and video games to name a few - simply because it is more expensive to write the same feature / code in C/C++ and the gains in terms of performance has little or no impact overall (one must respect the old axiom that premature optimization is the root of all evil). It's just not going to happen nor do I hope it happens. The thought of all these crappy software developers getting their hands on this sort of power scares of the lights out of me. It would be the death of everything we hold dear. I think you are in a very lonely club regarding this. - Hans On 2013-05-21, at 11:42 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > <<< It's possible to do "true" multi-core programming without C/C++ >>> > Please post some samples for general purpose programming languages and OSes. > > <<< There are so many other areas of software development where you would be crazy to consider C/C++. >>> > True for yesterday, partially true for today, could become false tomorrow as C/C++ standards evolve in Java/C#/functional programming languages direction, and they (C/C++) are getting more and more (open source) libraries to support all kinds of software development subject areas. > > <<< A tool is only as effective as the programmer(s) using it. >>> > Sure. > > -- Shamil > > Вторник, 21 мая 2013, 14:24 -07:00 от Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>: >> >> It's possible to do "true" multi-core programming without C/C++, but, if your aim is to write another operating system, of course you would want to do the majority of that in some more "bare metal"-ish language. >> >> There are so many other areas of software development where you would be crazy to consider C/C++. >> >>> Most of that could be prevented/captured by using solid programming approaches as well as modern development/profiling tools... >> >> A tool is only as effective as the programmer(s) using it. >> >> - Hans >> >> >> >> On 2013-05-21, at 12:25 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: >> >>> Hi Hans -- >>> >>> No, because *nowadays* and many years to come(?) true multi-core programming on general purpose computers (desktop, laptop. moblie/ARM,...) and OSes (MS Windows, Linux/Unix, ...) would be possible to do by using only C/C++ - http://erratasec.blogspot.ru/2013/02/multi-core-scaling-its-not-multi.html#.UZsfhbVplfA .. >>> >>>> ... buffer overflows, memory leaks and illegible code... >>> Most of that could be prevented/captured by using solid programming approaches as well as modern development/profiling tools... >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> >>> Понедельник, 20 мая 2013, 23:27 -07:00 от Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >: >>>> >>>>> Yes, it's time to get back to "bare metal". BTW: >>>> >>>> Because buffer overflows, memory leaks and illegible code (etc etc) is so much fun! :-) >>>> >>>> - Hans >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2013-05-20, at 1:36 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Jim -- >>>>> > <<< skipped >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com