[dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder

 Hi Gustav --

"The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering, Anniversary Edition (2nd Edition)" by Frederick P. Brooks Jr.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Mythical-Man-Month-Engineering-Anniversary/dp/0201835959 is a "must read" IMO. Recommended.

> I share your skepticism.
Well, shall we better call it "common sense realism"? :) -  "If there are certain principles, as I think there are, which the constitution of our nature leads us to believe, and which we are under a necessity to take for granted in the common concerns of life, without being able to give a reason for them — these are what we call the principles of common sense; and what is manifestly contrary to them, is what we call absurd."  ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Common_Sense_Realism )

Surprisingly(?) the above statement seems to have roots in Romans (1:20) ( http://www.usccb.org/bible/romans/1:20 )  (The relation of "Governing is in detail(s)" idiom and Romans(1:20) is noted also here  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_in_the_detail  where I have got first it from.)

-- Shamil

Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:18 PM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
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>That settles it, I believe, though I haven't read any of those books. I share your skepticism.
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>/gustav
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>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] På vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 29. januar 2014 11:59
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder
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> Hi Jim et All --
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>I'm sorry to be rather skeptical on all that "new way" visual "logic drawing-driven" "rapid application development" tools - have a look:
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>"by CBR Staff Writer| 12 February 1991
>... In another age the product might have been described as an expert system, but the buzz word now is Object and the product offers visual programming techniques to enable users to stipulate objects and processes via drawings..."  http://www.cbronline.com/news/borland_objectvision_makes_writing_windows_programs_easy
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>Do you remember it - Borland Object Vision? I do.
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>And before that around year 1981 last century there was 
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>"Application Development Without Programmers"
>James Martin (Author)  http://www.amazon.com/Application-Development-Without-Programmers-Martin/dp/0130389439
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>Did you read it? I did. And I did read it on that ancient now times. It was exciting reading... that time.
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>And the "Application Development Without Programmers" was published a few years *after* this well known book:
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>"The Mythical Man-Month" by Fred Brooks
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month
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>Did you read it? I did. And I did read it nearly the same time as I did read the "Application Development Without Programmers" book somewhere in the beginning of 80-ies of last century. (NB: that were ex-USSR times here, mainstream/bestselling there on "wild West" books were available here, but sometimes with considerable delay.)
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>And somewhere in the beginning of 90-ies there was the "The Computer Revolution in Software System Development" (  http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Computer_Revolution/Software/System_Development ) - all kinds of software design case systems: does anybody of you using something like that in your everyday software development work?
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>----
>Resume: there exists "something" elusive, subtle, intangible, imponderable, evasive, vague, volatile, subtle, inappreciable, impalpable - sorry for my English - select any word, which you suppose is better highlighting "never ending, durable software development crisis" issue.. there exists something, which will always make the "new ways of programming" getting obsolete rather quick. And this "something" is "Governing in details" (  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_in_the_detail ), which will always require 80% of software projects development time to be spent on to keep competing in this accelerating world...
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>-- Shamil
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>Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:59 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>Hi All:
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>>For all you developers out there a new way of programming. Check out NoFlo another application that has reached (and surpassed) it financial goal and now is in full development on Kickstarter...another startup program out of San-Francisco.
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>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/noflo/noflo-development-environment?ref=category
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>>Check this out and what do you think?
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>>Jim
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>>PS It is OSS 
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