Jim Lawrence
accessd at shaw.ca
Wed Jan 29 19:03:18 CST 2014
Hi Gustav: I would take a wait and see attitude on this product. It is not "if" this type of development is going to happen but "when" it is. I do not see a great jump between our numerous sophisticated quick app packages like MS Access and ASP.Net; drag, drop, cut and paste, with macros, batch files and built-in functions...it is such a long way from coding in C or worse yet, assembler. (I have an odd guilty pleasure from saving fine pieces of code, from numerous sources, as it helps to inspire me...some fragments, from my library, date back thirty years...and those snippets were just as good then as they are now.) It is getting harder to find a good programmer, as so many build huge applications on garbage code as speed is what counts with many coding illiterate managers. This is of course another reason I like OSS and GitHub as all the code is out there with all the brilliance, warts and bugs, for all their peers to see. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 3:18:37 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder Hi Shamil That settles it, I believe, though I haven't read any of those books. I share your skepticism. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] På vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 29. januar 2014 11:59 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder Hi Jim et All -- I'm sorry to be rather skeptical on all that "new way" visual "logic drawing-driven" "rapid application development" tools - have a look: "by CBR Staff Writer| 12 February 1991 ... In another age the product might have been described as an expert system, but the buzz word now is Object and the product offers visual programming techniques to enable users to stipulate objects and processes via drawings..." http://www.cbronline.com/news/borland_objectvision_makes_writing_windows_programs_easy Do you remember it - Borland Object Vision? I do. And before that around year 1981 last century there was "Application Development Without Programmers" James Martin (Author) http://www.amazon.com/Application-Development-Without-Programmers-Martin/dp/0130389439 Did you read it? I did. And I did read it on that ancient now times. It was exciting reading... that time. And the "Application Development Without Programmers" was published a few years *after* this well known book: "The Mythical Man-Month" by Fred Brooks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month Did you read it? I did. And I did read it nearly the same time as I did read the "Application Development Without Programmers" book somewhere in the beginning of 80-ies of last century. (NB: that were ex-USSR times here, mainstream/bestselling there on "wild West" books were available here, but sometimes with considerable delay.) And somewhere in the beginning of 90-ies there was the "The Computer Revolution in Software System Development" ( http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Computer_Revolution/Software/System_Development ) - all kinds of software design case systems: does anybody of you using something like that in your everyday software development work? ---- Resume: there exists "something" elusive, subtle, intangible, imponderable, evasive, vague, volatile, subtle, inappreciable, impalpable - sorry for my English - select any word, which you suppose is better highlighting "never ending, durable software development crisis" issue.. there exists something, which will always make the "new ways of programming" getting obsolete rather quick. And this "something" is "Governing in details" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_in_the_detail ), which will always require 80% of software projects development time to be spent on to keep competing in this accelerating world... -- Shamil Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:59 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>: >Hi All: > >For all you developers out there a new way of programming. Check out NoFlo another application that has reached (and surpassed) it financial goal and now is in full development on Kickstarter...another startup program out of San-Francisco. > >https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/noflo/noflo-development-environment?ref=category > >Check this out and what do you think? > >Jim > >PS It is OSS _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com