[dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

[Jim Lawrence]

Hi All:

I thought the future was Linux? ;-) 

Linux has around a hundreds of desktops and it runs on and in everything.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 8:30:01 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Hi John

Don't blame me. I didn't ask for the reinvention of the Start Menu. It was people like you who did.

The Start Screen of Windows 8 was great. You had both the larger tiles for frequently used applications and the other pane with the small tiles for everything installed.

That said, you must meet any new system with a positive attitude. If not, you can make anything to fall behind.

So, not a fan of the new Start Mess, I have decided to adopt for Windows 10. In any other way, it works absolutely great, it runs an all our home and office machines now, and for every machine to the better - from my ten years old HP Pavilion, my two ThinkStations, two Fujitsu desktops, the Surface Pro 2, to our two new Lenovo Yoga 2-1051 (amazing Atom-powered machines, by the way). It is the future, and looking back serves no purpose.

/gustav


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Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] På vegne af John Colby
Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 16:12
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Obviously you like the mess that is a huge desktop full of flashing icons, and that is good --  for you.

But what I am discussing is that the mess that is the tiny start menu is NOT what we had in 2007.  So what the masses screamed for is NOT what Microsoft delivered.  What they delivered is the mess that is the screen full of flashing boxes, reduced to a small list.  Oh Joy.  Oh yes, and let's not forget, every program that they acknowledge being on the computer, organized in alpha order.

What you are fastidiously avoiding acknowledging is that the mess that is either of the above is NOT a list of folders, each folder neatly organizing a bunch of programs.  Which, BTW, I am absolutely baffled as to why that is a bad thing?

THAT is what the masses screamed for, and THAT is what MS, in their infinite wisdom, decided that I should not want, and resolutely refused to provide.

And THAT is what I cannot figure out how to get from the mess that is the desktop full of flashing crap, or the "start menu" full of flashing crap.

So. since you are one who knows this mess of flashing crap inside out, how do I get back to folders neatly organizing whatever is installed on my machine?

And just so that you understand, sometimes a search fails.  If I do not know the name, how can I search for the name?  If I know that it belongs to Accuzip company, then (under the old system) I could simply open the start menu, find the Accuzip folder and voila, there are all of Accuzip's things neatly laid out in Accuzip's folder.  How logical is that?  Why is that bad?

Now, I am a nubee to Windows 10, so it is entirely possible that MS has provided a similar functionality, begrudgingly provided but hidden in the deep dark bowels of the mess they call an interface.

If that is the case, where is the equivalent functionality?  Where do I find all of Accuzips programs displayed as a group of related items?  Or all of the Office 97 items, vs all of the Office 2003 items, vs all of the Office 2007 items?  And if there is no group of items, how do I discover what all pieces and parts of Office 2007 exist on my machine?  The SEARCH BAR?????

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John
>
> Yes, that tiny start menu is a mess, but "the masses" screamed for it 
> - to have it like in Windows 95 to 7. Go figure.
>
> As of Windows 8, the intention of MS is that you start spelling what 
> you are after in the search box, and it will find it at once. Type, 
> say, Remote and it will list Remote Desktop.
>
> For those you often use, drag and drop them on the start pane and 
> organize in groups. It worked perfectly in Windows 8 with the 
> horizontal scroll, but you can live with the vertical scroll in Windows 10.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] På vegne 
> af John Colby
> Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:37
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues < 
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
>
> Not to hijack the thread but I purchased a new All-In-One which came 
> with Windows 8.1.  That offered an upgrade immediately and I did so, 
> which went smoothly.  So I am now on Windows 10 on one of my 
> computers.  Other than the start menu, which still will not show me 
> the folders of apps that 7.1 showed, it is similar enough that I can get my work done.
>
> Where this lack of folders matters is that in the olden days, a 
> program would install and create a group for itself.  It would place 
> all of its programs in that group and add that group to the start 
> menu.  Look in the start menu and select that folder and you could SEE 
> all of the items related to the newly installed program.
>
> The new system does I know not what, but AFAICT it scatters them 
> willy-nilly (in alpha order) according to their name.  Well... if I 
> have just installed this thing with a half dozen parts, how am I 
> supposed to know what the names of all the parts are?
>
> Take office just as an example.  It would have an office folder, 
> including an Office97, Office 2003, Office7 etc.  Inside of each 
> folder would be Office, Excel, Power Point etc.
>
> Nice and neat, I could just select the folder I wanted, then the item 
> in the folder and go.
>
> Now, not so much.
>
> But I am told by those who simply don't care that I liked that system, 
> that I shouldn't like that system so I will submit to their 
> superior(?) wisdom (since I have no choice anyway).
>
> Which does leave me wondering how I am suppose to do those kinds of 
> things in the new system. 

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