[dba-VB] Please Advise: Should I Buy "Microsoft Visual Basic.NET Standard 2003 ..."

MartyConnelly martyconnelly at shaw.ca
Tue Dec 7 13:38:45 CST 2004

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Griffiths, Richard wrote:

>The framework simply provides the dotnet runtime environment.  To
>develop you need Visual Studio .NET 2003 "Professional" Edition.  I've
>seen recently for about $700 and this includes windows 2003 and sql 2000
>(developer/test editions) - not bad really
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawhon, Alan C
>Contractor/Morgan Research
>Sent: 07 December 2004 17:07
>To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at shaw.ca
>Subject: RE: [dba-VB] Please Advise: Should I Buy "Microsoft Visual
>Basic.NET Standard 2003 ..."
>Thanks for the .NET links & info - which I am now diligently research-
>ing.  I need a bit of clarification concerning one of the links you
>provided.  First, some background ...
>We are in the process of coming up with a recommendation for our
>concerning what software (and development tools) should be purchased in
>order to facilitate conversion of our environmental database application
>to a "web enabled" environmental database application.  I also have a
>secondary goal of obtaining an "affordable" .NET integrated development
>environment so that I can "play around" with VB.NET, ADO.NET, ASP.NET,
>(and whatever-else .NET is required), on my home computer.  (I have a
>feeling I can learn more at home versus all the constant "distractions"
>and interruptions here at work ...)
>I have visited the link you provided to Microsoft's download site for
>the (free?) ".NET Framework SDK Version 1.1" IDE.  According to info
>at this MS site, the 106 MB download contains "everything developers
>need to write, build, test, and deploy .NET Framework applications -
>documentation, samples, and command-line tools and compilers."  I
>presume this means that this download includes the VB.NET compiler,
>ADO.NET, ASP.NET and other .NET development tools - in other words
>just about everything that is bundled with Microsoft's full-up version
>of Visual Studio .NET?
>What has me scratching my head is this: I went to Microsoft's "Product
>Information" page for Visual Studio .NET 2003 "Professional" Edition.
>URL: http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/product.aspx?view=22&pcid=
>and the "full up" (not upgrade) version of Visual Studio .NET lists for
>$1,079.00 direct purchase from Microsoft.
>So, why is Microsoft, in effect, "giving away" the .NET Framework SDK,
>(Version 1.1) "free" at one of their download sites while charging
>$1,079.00 for [virtually] the same product at another Microsoft site?
>Either I'm missing something here, or I'm totally confused, or
>There has to be a "catch" here, because Microsoft doesn't "give away"
>anything for free - or anything that is not "crippled" (or a woefully
>lacking subset) of the full product.
>Have you actually downloaded (and used) the ".NET Framework SDK,
>Version 1.1" product?  (We are leaning toward recommending that our
>customer buy a copy of the full up version of "Visual Studio .NET 2003
>Professional" edition.)
>Alan C. Lawhon
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:18 PM
>To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [dba-VB] Please Advise: Should I Buy "Microsoft Visual
>Basic .NET Standard 2003 ..."
>Hi Alan:
>I am currently following the same route, a little further ahead but if
>look sharp I can be seen just up the trail a bit. Following are a few of
>options out there. The actual portion of the .Net application suite that
>generates the web code is ASP.Net but the full .Net studio has ASP.Net
>Here is the pointer to the Asp.Net webmatrix editor and appropriate
>tutorials...and it is free.
>Sharpe Develop is IDE has Asp.Net, C#.Net and Vb.Net (Open source)...and
>is free.  http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/
>The SDK can be downloaded from M$...and it is free.
>Nothing like fair pricing and a good place to start. The best OS
>platform to
>develop the coding and testing is on an XP or 2000 server as they have
>built in and applications can test immediately.
>Good luck and have fun.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Lawhon, Alan C
>Contractor/Morgan Research
>Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:15 PM
>To: dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com
>Cc: dba-AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-VB] Please Advise: Should I Buy "Microsoft Visual Basic
>.NET Standard 2003 ..."
>... or just try to learn what I can from [VB.Net] books alone?
>Well, the "future" has finally arrived ...  Here at work we have a
>significant environmental database application that we have been using
>"tweaking") for the past five years.  The application, called "EDS" -
>stands for "Environmental Document System" - started off as a very
>Access 97 application.  Over time, as the capabilities of the system
>and the need to provide client/server access was realized, the front end
>migrated to Access 2000 and the back end [eventually] migrated to SQL
>2000 - which is where we are now.
>Well, you know how customers are ... they are always wanting changes (or
>"something new") and that is the case with our customer.  EDS is
>increasingly popular with users outside our immediate organization.  So
>popular, in fact, that our Government manager has requested that we "web
>enable" EDS and make EDS accessible from a web browser - such as
>Explorer.  Gulp !!  It didn't take too much web surfing (and research)
>realize that "web enabling" EDS is going to be thirsty work ...
>The EDS database consists of multiple form and report objects with lots
>event driven Visual Basic code.  Most of the VBA code is attached to
>buttons as Click_Event() procedures.  (There's a lot of logic testing
>conditional execution for business rule implementation within the VBA
>The research I have done (so far) indicates that I face a steep learning
>curve when it comes to web programming.  I'm already looking at "HTML &
>for Beginners" (book) by Michael Morrison and I have just ordered a
>of books on databases and VB.Net programming.  (I have ordered
>VB.Net Databases" by Thearon Willis and "Programming Microsoft Visual
>.NET for Microsoft Access Databases" by Rick Dobson.)  I figure these
>books will give me plenty to chew on - at least initially.
>The senior programmer and I have been looking on the internet for the
>.NET development tool.  Right now it looks like we will be asking our
>customer to pay for a full-up version of Visual Studio 2003 - or
>contains the full "Professional" version of MS Visual Basic .NET.  While
>researching the various developer tool alternatives for VB.NET
>I came across this page at Amazon.com's web site:
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000089GKW/002-1179299-3348025
>The "Standard" edition of Microsoft VB.Net [2003] appeals to me for two
>reasons: It's (relatively) affordable - less than a hundred dollars -
>the "Standard" edition might be a good "learning tool" for playing
>with VB.Net on my home computer.  However, the "Standard" edition
>appears to
>have a number of ... uhm ... limitations.  (Look at Frank Spillman's
>"Roadblocks, Roadblocks" reader review in the above link.)
>I would be grateful if some of the folks on this list who have actually
>some web programming (especially with VB.Net) could offer advice and
>opinions with respect to the "Microsoft Visual Basic .NET Standard 2003"
>[web] development tool.  Basically, I'm wondering if the "Standard"
>has enough capability to serve as a useful "learning tool" - or is it so
>"crippled" that I would be better off simply reading .NET books?
>Thanks in advance ...
>Alan C. Lawhon

Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.

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