Gustav Brock
Gustav at cactus.dk
Thu Apr 10 09:25:30 CDT 2008
Hi William Fine, though it we be the other way around - I would make the mechanics first, then he would beef it up. With VSVWD8 Express as a free tool I see no reason why he should punish him self with something like Notepad. /gustav >>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 10-04-2008 16:11 >>> ...late here Gustav but you can do the entire app in VSVWD8 Express ...turn theming and skins on and let him build the UI to his hearts content there, and only there, using VSVWD8 Express without ever touching the real app ...its amazing what can be done with css in VS these days via themes and skins ...and when you use CopyWeb to upload your changes to the aspx files, it lets you pick and choose which files you overwrite ...since VSVWD Express is a free dl and supports both C# and vb.net, theres no reason anyone should be playng with text editors. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk> To: <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ASP.NET, separated programming and visual design > Hi Shamil > > Great! This is exactly the information I need. > > /gustav > >>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 04-04-2008 11:59 >>> > Hi Gustav, > > In fact I and my customer(s) sometimes do the "trick" with notepad when > some > "cosmetic" or minor application web page logic changes are needed: we open > such a page or its accompanying code behind in notepad, do the edits and > save the page - all on a live running version... > > Yes, if you download current version of ASP.NET application files from > live > site then you can open it as a web site in VS or in VS you can have > solution > including Web site as one of the projects.... > > No, ASP.NET will not be "smart enough" to not let newer version of files > be > replaced with the files you upload, but because ASP.NET application > release > is usually a mere XCOPY of files (after first version is released) then > you > can use XCOPY "smartness" to not replace newer version of files, or some > other files' synchronization tools, which do not overwrite newer by date > versions of files, or you can use setup tools with option to not overwrite > newer version of files etc. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 11:15 AM > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ASP.NET, separated programming and visual design > > Hi Jim, Michael and Shamil > > First, this will be a simple application, only four tables as in most "ASP > Beginner Course": > > Customer > Product > Order > OrderLine > > I could probably just copy one of the VS samples! > > Then, that about Notepad was a joke. Don't know which tool he uses but he > would have a look at Programmer's Notepad, that's at least one step > forward. > But I think I will try to persuade him for VS Express. If he is fluent in > ASP, it must be a gift. > > Finally, as this will be the simple case as Shamil describes, if I upload > the application and he does some changes to the .aspx/.ascx files, all I > need to do is to download the .aspx/.ascx files and overwrite my local > files > to have the full application? > But if I don't do that and needed to make some changes to the "mechanics", > will VS be so clever when uploading the revised application that it will > not > touch the newer .aspx/.ascx files? > That would be perfect. > > /gustav > > >>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 04-04-2008 01:53 >>> > Hi Gustav, > > "separated programming and visual design" for asp.net application in the > most simple case usually means that visual design part of web pages/custom > controls is kept in .aspx/.ascx files, and code to process events of these > web pages/controls is kept in accompanying .aspx.cs/.ascx.cs (C#) or > .aspx.vb/.ascx.vb (VB) code behind files. In more advanced cases part of > code is stored in \bin subfolder; in even more advanced cases one can > create > (visual layer) classlib DLLs etc.... > > Yes, one can type entire ASP.Net application in Notepad (except graphics > of > course)... > > But I'd doubt such a practice - ASP.NET experts AFAIS are usually typing > .aspx markup in text view in Visual Studio - when used that way then one > can > use Intellisence, which is very handy... > > After release you can replace parts of ASP.NET application or the whole > application just by replacing/copying over parts/all the files of the > ASP.NET application... > > You can do such replacing/copying over even for live running ASP.NET > application: when separate .aspx pages are replaced then after replacing > the > new version of .aspx page will be rendered on the new page request, and > ASP.NET application *will not be* restarted... > > If you replace certain files as e.g. ASP.NET app's web.config, master > page, > code files/classlib .dlls in \bin folder and some others then ASP.NET > application gets restarted but assuming that the usual practice is to have > most of the pages of ASP.NET app stateless such restarting shouldn't harm > (NB: ASP.Net application restarting clears/destroys all session level > variables and application cache but preserve live user sessions, which > identity is usually kept in cookies...) > > > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 3:35 PM > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-VB] ASP.NET, separated programming and visual design > > Hi all > > A client asks if we can create a small database application (usual stuff > for > order registration) for him with only a very basic design and then he will > create the visual design. > > That should be doable with ASP.NET and Visual Studio 2008 Standard for my > part but what will he need? I would say Visual Studio Web edition but he > claims to be an expert in ASP and prefers Notepad! I could leave the > problem > to him but I prefer to stay clear of possible disasters. > > Also, I must be able to pull back the application, make some changes and > forward it again. > > Anyone having experiences with a process like this? > > /gustav