[dba-VB] Recent Discussion from MS on VB.Net and C# in VS 2010

Nice link!  I liked this line:

"In the same manner, we will experience dramatic progress over the
coming decades, but it won't feel as dramatic while we are actually
experiencing it."

The old frog in boiling water scenario.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:40 AM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Recent Discussion from MS on VB.Net and C# in VS
2010

Hi Drew --

<<<
To begin with, many tasks which would have 
required a programmer, have gotten to a 
point where a user can point and click for what they
want.
>>>
Yes, but the point is that the new tasks to be programmed "old way" do
appear with higher speed...

I do not believe in AI per se - I do believe that Singularity may happen
(http://www.nesteduniverse.net/2007/11/what-is-the-sin.html) - it's
happening nowadays in fact. But for me Singularity somehow doesn't
exclude
the need in "good old programmers" :)

I can be wrong...

Thank you.

--Shamil {^;^}

P.S. BTW, here is the link on the brief information on MS "Singularity"
experimental operation system I mentioned previously: "Objects +
Messages =
Operating System" - the sources (mainly on Sing# - a C# dialect) are
available on CodePlex they say...

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:27 AM
To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Recent Discussion from MS on VB.Net and C# in VS
2010

Thanks for the article!  That was a great read.

But Shamil, NEVER say never.  To begin with, the authors statement said
it wouldn't happen in 10 year, and it didn't.  He said that in '86, and
it certainly didn't happen by '96.  It's now almost 15 years after that
mark.  To begin with, many tasks which would have required a programmer,
have gotten to a point where a user can point and click for what they
want.  Next, you are completely ignoring any progress made with AI.  In
essence, AI is self programmable (once it's built).  You never know what
was around the corner.  My main point, however, is that a lot of what
I've seen people like our list members do, is being slowly replaced by
newer technology.

There is a curve up, stating it'll never reach a certain point is not a
mathematical certainty.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 3:41 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Recent Discussion from MS on VB.Net and C# in VS
2010

<<<
But the move to making point and click 
development tools is not too far
in the distant future.
>>>
No, Drew, no way (if by the above statement you mean mainstream
professional
software development):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Silver_Bullet 

Software development tools do evolve but the complexity of the tasks to
be
solved by the modern software does evolve quicker - that promise to be
never
ending "hunting one own tail story" - the more advanced development
tools we
get the more complicated programming tasks we will have to solve...

Thank you.

--Shamil {^;^}

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