[AccessD] Witty

John,

I don't have intentions to flame :) - I just wanted to note - a modern
master C++ programmer is as RAD as you with MS Access (I'm not such a C++
master(yet if ever be) - I didn't have enough time last years to practice in
C++).

I mean that John, I have seen such masters, I did work with them, I have
seen and I have used the tools they use - they are as RAD as yours - and we
are talking about real applications here not toys apps every second grade
student can make with MS Access these days....

I understand you when you're talking - right tool for right task - and I
share this your opinion - but modern master C++ programmer armored with
modern development tools and libraries and having experience in real life
business application development will be as quick/RAD as you are...

I do mean that.

I do know that.

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:12 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Witty


> As in everything, there is a time and place for everything.  All the
> languages are designed for specific jobs.  Unfortunately, tools are all
too
> often selected because of the familiarity of someone with the tool, not
> because it was designed for the job at hand.  'C' was designed as a "step
> up" from assembler, to provide the capabilities of assembler with the
power
> of higher language constructs.  It was designed to "program to the metal",
> precisely for writing things like operating systems and compilers, where
you
> needed to get at the metal.  It was not designed to write database
> applications, web sites, or a host of other things that the world now
needs.
> Unfortunately it is all too often used where it doesn't belong, simply
> because someone is comfortable with the language.
>
> I will take Access and write a small database application in a matter of
> days.  A MASTER of 'C' programming will takes weeks or months (or years)
to
> write the same application, but if you hire a MASTER 'C' programmer to
write
> your database application, you will likely pay him for weeks or months (or
> years) of his time.  Notice that you will not get a better product, in
fact
> it will probably be inferior, for the simple reason that there will be 100
> or 1000 lines of code for every line I have to write.  More code, more
bugs,
> we all know that.
>
> Is 'C' a "witty" language?  Of course, if you need to write a Windows (or
> Linux etc), or Access (or dBase etc).  Certainly NOT if you need to write
an
> "Access APPLICATION", or likely if you need to write a "Windows
> APPLICATION".  There are many "more suitable" languages for those jobs.
> Even for writing database applications, Access isn't the best tool all of
> the time as we all know.
>
> To use 'C' you have to be smart and agile.  To use it correctly, you have
to
> be even smarter and more agile, in order to decide where it is appropriate
> and where it isn't.  Wax poetic about 'C' all you will, but come down to
> earth when it is time to select your tool.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 11:51 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Memory Lane. IBM Key Punch
>
> I am with you on this one, Shamil. You found the perfect word for it:
witty.
> To be witty you have to be very smart, and also verbally agile. That
> describes the entrance requirements for C++, IMO.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: December 30, 2005 11:22 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Memory Lane. IBM Key Punch
>
> >   I just took C++ for a spin; man is it ugly.
> Jim,
>
> When I program on C++ (rarely these days) I have a feeling I'm writing
real
> SOFTware - so flexible and powerful this programming language is...
>
> ...when I use VBA/VB6 - I have a feeling I'm surrounded with "iron
fences",
> which make me safe but in the same time immensely limit what I can do...
>
> ...I like C# and VB.NET but C++ is still far superior and it will probably
> always be...
>
> ...yes VBA and VB6 and VB.NET and C# are right "what doctor ordered" RAD
> tools for many nowadays business applications but modern C++ with all the
> free and "for money" development tools and libraries - is far superior and
> for trained and experienced developer modern C++ programming is as RAD as
C#
> or VB.NET programming but has many advantages because (once again) with
C++
> your imagination isn't limited by anything - and then you're making real
> SOFTware not because you're a "bits- and pointers- jongleur" but because
the
> code stuff you're making is SOFT and flexible and adaptable for many use
> cases(application architectures), which are closed for you when you use
> VBA/VB6 and even C# and VB.NET....
>
> No, I'm not starting C++ vs. VBA/VB6/C#/VB.NET flame - just wanted to note
> that IMO C++ is nice and witty not ugly :)
>
> Shamil
>
>
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