Darryl Collins
Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au
Tue Apr 29 20:47:54 CDT 2008
Hey Edward, Don't ever sell yourself short, in fact, if someone thinks they can get someone to do a great job at $15/$25/$35/$45 p/h then let them do it and you take the week off. You will find that the person will either take forever to do the job or make a mess of it, in my experience it is usually both. I always asked clients to consider what having this job fouled up will cost them, plus the additional expense of paying someone to correct the problem at a much higher rate. You are right though, some folks just don't want to pay. Best thing to do is to walk away. In Oz the rates seem to offer wildly - the ones that make me laugh the most are the adverts that are seeking an expert in about 5 languages in 3 systems (and all for $40 a hour!). yeah, if you know your stuff, there is no way you can be expert in that many different languages - or maybe I am just stupid :-/ cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Edward S Zuris Sent: Wednesday, 30 April 2008 9:14 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Sorry for joking around Sorry for joking around. Things are getting grim. I know a client who thinks $15 an hour is too much. Before this is over, we'll be working for table scraps. -----Original Message----- From: Edward S Zuris [mailto:edzedz at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 4:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Migrate 2.0 and A97 to XP: Advice and Cost??? You can fudge that with the F color factor. Is there a color for (2^16)-1 ? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate 2.0 and A97 to XP: Advice and Cost??? I think that is a good estimate. ;-) But you forgot to factor in intellectual and emotional age. Or was that intentional? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Mark A Matte wrote: > With all the different feedback...and formulas I found...and gas prices... > > Avg Age on AccessD=A > My age =B > Moon phase= C > Years Experience=E > that weird 9 tenths gas thing= 9/10 > windows value for favorite color=F > (F/((A-B)*(C+E)))+9/10=$104.99 9/10 > > We'll go with travel expenses + $104.99 9/10 per hour????? > > > > >> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:30:19 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate 2.0 and A97 to XP: Advice and Cost??? >> >> ...lol ...its funny that something I wrote so long ago remains immediately >> identifiable here ...JC and pks are a legend unto themselves :) >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "jwcolby" >> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:19 PM >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" >> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate 2.0 and A97 to XP: Advice and Cost??? >> >>> multi-field primary? >>> >>> Is someone using a multi-field primary? Let me at 'em. >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>> >>> >>> Mark A Matte wrote: >>>> Excelent article. I think my favorite part was: >>>> >>>> "will go flat broke and be looking for a salaried position sooner than >>>> John Colby can jump on a multi-field primary." >>>> >>>> Seriously though...The pricing was in line with what I was hearing >>>> 'through the grapevine" >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> mark >>>> >>>>> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com >>>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:11:54 -0400 >>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate 2.0 and A97 to XP: Advice and Cost??? >>>>> >>>>> ...97 to xp is just minor grunt work if the original coder actually did >>>>> his >>>>> job. >>>>> >>>>> ...but if the "97" code is really A2 code running under the 3.5 library >>>>> then >>>>> you can have a nightmare on your hands ...it all depends on the original >>>>> coder, how much Access Basic used versus API calls, and how well >>>>> commented >>>>> it is/was. >>>>> >>>>> ...my practice is to give them a firm fixed price quote to assess the >>>>> existing code and produce a proprietary report on what is actually >>>>> needed >>>>> ...then go from there once you have something real to deal with ...if >>>>> you >>>>> have the FMS diagnostics suite, this is usually something you can do in >>>>> a >>>>> few hours, produce reams of report paper on, and impress the hell out of >>>>> them without actually killing yourself ...if you don't have the FMS >>>>> Suite, >>>>> good luck ...whatever you do don't give them a price without knowing >>>>> exactly >>>>> what you're taking on ...and make sure that the conversion project is >>>>> extremely well defined in terms of additional reports, functionality, >>>>> etc >>>>> ...and that you have a firm understanding that any and all >>>>> changes/additions >>>>> past your original proposal are at additional cost. >>>>> >>>>> ...as to hourly rate, there's an article I wrote on the subject for the >>>>> first dba newsletter which is still posted on the website ...nothing has >>>>> really changed ...if you run the numbers your rate question should >>>>> answer >>>>> itself ...don't sell yourself short ...its better to starve in a rocking >>>>> chair than to starve while producing code you sold short ...imnsho of >>>>> course. >>>>> >>>>> ...hth :) >>>>> >>>>> William >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Mark A Matte" >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:17 AM >>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" >>>>> >>>>> Subject: [AccessD] Migrate 2.0 and A97 to XP: Advice and Cost??? >>>>> >>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>> >>>>>> A small company needs to have some Access DBs upgraded from Access 2.0 >>>>>> and >>>>>> A97 to XP. >>>>>> >>>>>> They want to provide airfare and hotel...and pay hourly. >>>>>> >>>>>> The project will involve upgrading, some system functionality >>>>>> modifications, and some new reports. Some of their current >>>>>> functionality >>>>>> is "broken" (all the detail they had). >>>>>> >>>>>> Any suggestions to the approach, things to look out for in the >>>>>> migration, >>>>>> or any advice? >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, what would be considered a fair hourly rate? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark A. Matte >>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> In a rush? 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