[AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Poll on Access 2007

William Hindman wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Sat Jun 27 08:26:16 CDT 2009


...have you ever considered just moving to the pub?

William

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From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 8:50 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Poll on Access 2007

> Yeah, I know what you mean.....I think I will just go and join the cast of
> LOST on that remote island somewhere...
>
> Off to the pub now.  It is Armed Forces Day in the UK and I am hoping to
> meet up with some other vets.
>
> Max
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: 27 June 2009 13:38
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Poll on Access 2007
>
> Max
>
> ...gotta give you credit for brass balls, eh ...if you ever do find your 
> way
>
> out of that bomb shelter, drop us a note :)
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 8:19 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Poll on Access 2007
>
>> No, you are mixing me up with Susan...
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: 27 June 2009 12:45
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Poll on Access 2007
>>
>> > I define proficient when I can sit down and write code to do all the
>> basic stuff without ever
>> having to look at previous code.
>>
>> And then you get old, and you can't even remember where the previous code
>> is...
>>
>> ;)
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>>> Steve, If MS had of put a switch in there RibbonOn/RibbonOff and left it
>> at
>>> that, then developers could merely have turned it off until they needed,
>>> converted to A2007 with all their existing code and interfaces and life
>>> would have been so happy.  But what they done was FORCE it upon us.  It
>>> takes years to be proficient on new "stuff" and only comes if it is
>>> common
>>> everyday frequent use.  You cannot become proficient by doing a 2-3 week
>>> course or dabbling in it now and again.
>>>
>>> I define proficient when I can sit down and write code to do all the
>>> basic
>>> stuff without ever having to look at previous code.
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
>>> Sent: 27 June 2009 10:22
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007
>>>
>>> Hi Max,
>>>
>>> Yes, I understand, and I have seen the problems that many people have 
>>> had
>> in
>>>
>>> adapting to change, and recognising the value of the fantastic changes
>> that
>>> were given to us with Access 2007.
>>>
>>> I anticipate that in 10 years, my work will still be centred around
>>> Access
>>
>>> development.  Maybe yours will be too.  If so, it is my fervent hope 
>>> that
>> we
>>>
>>> will look back at this period, and feel gratitude to the Access team at
>>> Microsoft, for their willingness to take the hard and unpopular 
>>> decisions
>> in
>>>
>>> order to keep Access current with the IT industry, create a product that
>> is
>>> unique in its scope of functionality, and provide Access with a future.
>>>
>>> We have to see Access 2007 as the first tentative steps in a major
>> movement
>>> towards Access 2010 and beyond, and sometimes tentative steps only make
>>> sense in retrospect.  But I don't think there is any secret about the
>>> fact
>>
>>> that Microsoft is investing hugely in the future of Access, and I have a
>>> hunch they're getting it right.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:09 PM
>>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007
>>>
>>>> Steve FWIW, I am definitely PRO MS but anti Access 2007.
>>>>
>>>> Over the years MS has given the majority a stable site of platforms
>>>> which
>>>> enables collaboration at various levels throughtout and across the
>>>> World.
>>>> It has never been Un-Affordable although it must be said that costs 
>>>> were
>>>> never reduced once R&D and Profits Targets were reached - it would have
>>>> been
>>>> nice to the old-2-back versions at half price for those who didn't want
>>>> cutting edge.  But for me, MS has been a good thing.
>>>>
>>>> What I dislike mostly about A2007 is that, in real development terms, 
>>>> it
>>>> has
>>>> bought nothing to the table.  It has remove interfaces that have, in
>>>> some
>>>> cases, taken years to hone and perfect, and all for the God "Looks". 
>>>> It
>>>> is
>>>> functionality and benefits that count and these are beyond the scope of
>>>> end-users - complex, behind the scene coding has to be done to make it
>>>> "perform" in a real tough business sense.  EG. What did the Ribbon 
>>>> bring
>>>> to
>>>> the table for a developer producing a MR2 manufacturing solution?
>> Answer:
>>>
>>>> a
>>>> lot of heartache to re-write existing code for no other reason than the
>>>> interface has changed.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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