William Hindman
wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Sun Mar 22 01:54:57 CDT 2009
...how many times we got to tell ya its not pc to refer to yourself as a "patient" around here? ...if'n yer a round peg in a square hole, be proud of it ...max is :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:36 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] science on visual controls > Did you notice how comfortable you've gotten here, Max? > It's because the patients running the asylum! :) > > - > Michael R Mattys > MapPoint and Database Dev > www.mattysconsulting.com > - > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:15 AM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] science on visual controls > > >> The problem is Michael, that during my lifetime I have spent (wasted) so >> much time sitting in rooms where people were nurturing their egos and >> trying >> to be PC (politically correct) rather than achieve the task in hand. I >> have >> done so many "Team Building" days that it is unbelievable. When you >> have >> a >> basic personality disorder such as mine which is "Identify what you want >> to >> do - confirm it - achieve it", it does not sit well with people who (and >> I >> have had to endure this) want to discuss the difference between "Aims" >> and >> "Objectives" - I kid you not! When should we use "Aims", when should we >> use >> "Objectives". Are they different if so, how? And so I. When I chip and >> say >> "What do you actually want to do?" the shout me down saying "Your missing >> the point - this is not about 'doing' anything, it is about talking about >> 'doing' something." Yeah right, 'scuse me, I need a pee! >> >> I have been on courses where I have been told I am not a good Team Member >> because I didn't chip into all the arguments about how we need to set up >> an >> assembly line to make notepads out of scrap paper, paper clips etc. >> While >> they were arguing about it and squirting testosterone all over the place, >> I >> went to the back of the rooms and made the required 4 notepads. >> >> I might not be a good Team Member in their eyes, but I am a good Manager >> and >> have been so for over 45 years. I also achieve. >> >> Talking of which, I am going to set myself the immediate task of finding >> my >> way back to bed now! I don't know if it would be called an aim or an >> objective but I do know what I want to do and I bet I succeed! >> >> Thanks >> >> Max >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys >> Sent: 22 March 2009 03:59 >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] science on visual controls >> >> Hi Max, >> >> I think you have to submit yourself to the appropriate certification >> course >> ... >> Hee Hee !!! >> >> - >> Michael R Mattys >> MapPoint and Database Dev >> www.mattysconsulting.com >> - >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" >> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] science on visual controls >> >> >>>I liken the Ribbon to the tools in my garage. They are nicely collected >>> into groups each representing a function. I have socket sets, I have >>> open-ended spanners, I have ring-spanners, I have woodwork tools, >>> electrical >>> tools etc. This works very well when I need to go find something that I >>> use >>> infrequently. For the items that I am constantly using, I have a >>> toolbox >>> and in there I can lay my hand on nearly everything I need for 90% of >>> the >>> time. >>> Pre-Ribbon, Most of the common items were already on the menu items and >>> it >>> was an easy job to drag-n-drop the odd spanner or two. >>> Post-Ribbon, I have to think about "What group would the function fall >>> under >>> thatI want to use". If I can successfully come up with the same answer >>> the >>> MS UI group did, then I can click on that and then search for it. I >>> then >>> have to repeat it for the next "thing" I want do do. As a developer >>> this >>> is >>> sooo tedious. >>> I want grouping my requirement not by functionality. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/21/09, Jack and Pat <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>> Susan, >>>> Try this in google "computer forms UI design principles". >>>> A little dated, but it's a start. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan >>>> Harkins >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:35 PM >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] science on visual controls >>>> >>>> I googled, and got a lot of information about the science, the >>>> degree... >>>> but >>>> >>>> nothing specific about what the science has produced in the way of >>>> improving >>>> >>>> UI and data entry. >>>> >>>> Susan H. >>>> >>>> >>>> > and more specifically , the branch of User Interface Design >>>> > >>>> > On 22 Mar 2009 at 7:53, Steve Schapel wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Susan, >>>> >> >>>> >> The science is called HCI (Human Computer Interaction). >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >