Salakhetdinov Shamil
mcp2004 at mail.ru
Tue Nov 15 13:42:41 CST 2011
HI Jim -- > we are on the verge of some very exciting times...similar to the 80s and early 90s. Yes. I'd even say they promise to be even more exciting... Yes, I know that "gone are the days when everything was minis..." - I have just mentioned them to note how huge is the software development productivity growth using nowadays development tools comparing to "good old days..." Still "mythical man-month phenomena" is very actual these days and even becoming more and more actual IMO - and that is Microsoft who is leading/is one of the leaders of the world mass and corporate market of software development productivity tools and programming languages *innovation* nowadays IMO... As for Microsoft business model - everybody knows they often were "missing mainstream uprising technologies" but there were no *any*(?) case in their corporate history they weren't able to "catch the leaving train" and to become a bandwagon - do you believe they will miss it this time?... Let's keep "adults talk" here? :) - I'm asking just one concrete question: - please give me real figures for real life project(s) when Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) of using MS development tools and applications platforms e.g. C#/.NET 4.0 + MS SQL is higher than TCO of using mySQL + ...(?).... provided development teams using that tools on both sides have comparable experience in developing business applications... > I believe it is a wonderful time to be in the computer > world with so many options...and yes, that does not > necessarily mean Microsoft. Yes, but I'm not questioning that. OK? Thank you. -- Shamil P.S. And no, I'm not working for Microsoft :) And I'm not MVP. 15 ноября 2011, 22:31 от "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>: > Hi Shamil: > > Gone are the days when everything was minis and mainframes and FORTRAN was > king. FORTRAN was the first major language I learned but I have not used it > too much lately. > > Microsoft has held the PC market for at least 10 years of the last 20 but I > think we are in a period of transition and the market is spreading out > again. If the patent wars do not seriously slow progress, we are on the > verge of some very exciting times...similar to the 80s and early 90s. > > Open source and open standards is where I believe the market is going. You > and I may be more familiar with Microsoft's stable of products but > developing a decent product in any environment is not easy but it is now no > more difficult, than under Linux, it is just different and it all takes > considerable time to learn, regardless of the way you go. In the end, I > believe, you can be equally as productive. > > Windows is the only major OS out there that does not have a Linux/Unix core. > > Linux is the environment of innovation. Virtually, every new product and > concept in the computing world has first been created on Linux. Companies > like Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, Google etc have been robbing the Linux garden > for years and then have been running out and trying to patent it before > someone else does or the product developers stamp a GNU and MIT license on > it. > > Unlike Arthur, I will still be using some Microsoft products, as the > customers demand it. OTOH, the market is moving away from Desktop type > application and more towards Browser type environments...PCs, Smart phones, > tablets and so on. In the future, proprietary PC applications are not going > to be as important and that will leave Microsoft out of the loop, unless > they make major changes in their corporate philosophy. > > This means, regardless of the effort required, the New Age IT professional > is going to have to move more into the Linux world. That, as far as I can > see, is a fact, that we all have to come to terms with. Therefore, whether > we retire from the computer industry, develop products in a niche market or > embrace the new order it does not matter. > > I believe it is a wonderful time to be in the computer world with so many > options...and yes, that does not necessarily mean Microsoft. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov > Shamil > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:29 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] New SQL Server license scheme is RADICALLLY > moreexpensive > > Jim, John at all, > > That's is an interesting discussion. > But did you ever try to compare development and support costs of > > MS SQL + .NET vs. mySQL + ...? > > I must note I know almost nothing about Linux development tools, but I have > worked in the past for a long time on IBM360/370 and PDP11 RSX-11M so JCL, > command line, and macro-assembler (especially great for IBM360/370) and > PL./1 and and pure C or C++ or Pascal development with file systems or > network (CODASYL) or relational databases without rich backend-level data > definition and manipulation tool - I have my own experience to evaluate how > much time all that development takes... > > .Now take > > C# 4.0 (VS2010) + MS SQL with T-SQL with SPs and UDF vs. mySQL + ... > > - wouldn't MS SQL license costs be covered manifold by higher Linux > development and support costs? > > And I'm not talking/meaning Web site development where becoming standards > HTML5 + CSS3 + JavaScript would make Windows and Linux development and > support costs comparable(?) I'm talking about development of desktop custom > business applications... > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >