[dba-SQLServer]MCDBA

Charlotte Foust cfoust at infostatsystems.com
Tue Feb 25 19:15:50 CST 2003


When you do, it's called "earn while you learn", John.  <vbg>  Been
there, done that in at least 3 different industries not related to
computers at all.

Charlotte Foust

>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com]  On Behalf Of John
> W. Colby
> Sent:	Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:11 AM
> To:	dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	RE: [dba-SQLServer]MCDBA
> 
> >To me, an equal score without taking the test also suggests an
> intuitive learner with great comprehension skills and/or breadth of
> real-world experience.
> 
> Yep.  Wouldn't you love to hire "an intuitive learner with great
> comprehension skills and/or breadth of real-world experience"?
> Particularly if it were "AND breadth of real-world experience"?
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com] 
> Sent:	Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:01 PM
> To:	dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	RE: [dba-SQLServer]MCDBA
> 
> John,	the tests can ONLY measure one's current knowledge of the
> limited material in question.  To me, an equal score without taking
> the test also suggests an intuitive learner with great comprehension
> skills and/or breadth of real-world experience.  Perhaps an added
> point system for non-course takers is needed (not to be confused with
> a handicap or Affirmative Action)?
> 
> Ron Moore
> Sr. Database Administrator
> Comtech PST Corp.
> Melville,  NY
> www.comtechpst.com
> 
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com] 
> Sent:	Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:44 PM
> To:	dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	RE: [dba-SQLServer]MCDBA
> 
> I hear what you are saying, but what that implies is that the tests
> don't measure what a person knows.  
> 
> If a person knows enough to pass the test, whether or not he took a
> class, then he knows as much as the person who took the class and got
> the same score (more or less).  
> 
> Or the tests suck and can't measure what they are supposed to so we
> will force everybody to take a class since that's the only way to
> ensure they know the stuff.  In which case, why the test?
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Francisco
> H Tapia
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:37 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]MCDBA
> 
> 
> FWIW, IMNSHO SQL Server is leaps and bounds over typical Access
> Database
> administration.  There are DBA's I email with that can script out
> procedures
> to take care of a full restore plans in case of a catastrophe.  So
> besides
> server A going down or HDD 3 of the Log Raid, is down, They often
> manage a
> Farm of SQL Servers that take care of mountains of data.  It's one
> thing to
> know "how" to do something and I have great respect for these DBA's as
> they
> always seem to have a minute or two to answer any of my "dumb"
> questions
> :oD.  I belive the same thing holds true for System Admins... We have
> a
> "good" System Admin here at my current job, but he is by no means
> GREAT...
> there are many mistakes he makes and many more things he doesn't know.
> If
> for example he were a certified CISCO engineer, perhaps he'd be able
> to have
> a better idea of subnetting our entire large collision domain network.
> This
> is true for our own in-house Sql Server DBA,  poor guy tries his
> damndest,
> but still comes up short on many DBA specific duties... he is not too
> familiar for example with SQL backup and restore process... or even
> SQL
> Server Agent Alerts... ouch!... I am a Programmer/Developer by title,
> but I
> dabble in everything, from software to hardware.
> 
> -Francisco
> http://rcm.netfirms.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:07 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]MCDBA
> 
> 
> : Steve,
> :
> : Whine away, I feel the same way.  No, actually knowing how to DO
> something
> : is not enough!
> :
> : What a crock.
> : John W. Colby
> : Colby Consulting
> : www.ColbyConsulting.com
> :
> :   -----Original Message-----
> :   From: dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> : [mailto:dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven
> W.
> : Erbach
> :   Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:56 AM
> :   To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> :   Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]MCDBA
> :
> :
> :   Allan,
> :
> :   I can appreciate the structured learning bit. I was wondering
> because I
> : had a conversation with a good friend who, in the past, always kept
> up the
> : certifications that he had. He seems to be despairing of the cost
> and
> : bother. Unless one is focused very clearly on one skill these days,
> : certification can become very expensive very quickly. Some--Cisco,
> for
> : example--require re-certification every two years. I just wonder
> what that
> : buys you once you get it. Continued advancement? Better-paying jobs?
> :
> :   I looked up MCDBA certification classes in my area and found some
> being
> : offered by another old friend of mine in the Chicago area. The
> certification
> : tests apparently cannot be taken unless one also takes the courses.
> I
> found
> : that a bit of a put-off.
> :
> :   I was also curious that, on the Microsoft site, the MCDBA is
> geared for
> : those with big company experience and big servers and big databases.
> Somehow
> : I doubt that these required courses offer anything in the way of
> simulation
> : of huge databases or multiple platform connections...or do they?
> :
> :   I've worked with PCs since 1982 and on mainframes for a bit before
> that,
> : back to 1975. It seems demeaning somehow that I cannot take a
> certification
> : test without going through an approved set of courses for which I
> pay a
> : large sum of money. I'm perfectly capable of learning SQL Server--or
> : anything else, for that matter--just fine on my own or in connection
> with
> my
> : client experiences. I guess I'm whining about having to take those
> courses.
> : If I do and if I get an MCDBA, what does it mean?
> :
> :   Regards,
> :
> :   Steve Erbach
> :   Scientific Marketing
> :   Neenah, WI
> :
> :   "Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits." - Mark
> Twain
> :
> :
> :
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