MartyConnelly
martyconnelly at shaw.ca
Wed Feb 23 20:32:31 CST 2005
Very carefully otherwise you end up with something that looks like a plate of spaghetti or the diagrams wrap several times around the walls of a conference room. You have to use a tool that allows disolving of nonessential diagrams or events. I have seen data flow diagrams of large systems where things like temporary Syncsort files were included. John W. Colby wrote: >Exactly how do you "flesh out" a diagram of hundreds of databases? > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > >Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: >http://folding.stanford.edu/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly >Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:05 PM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion > > >UML. I had a funny a couple of months ago, when I got called into a >company to check their records rentention periods >for corporate compliance. I asked for a simple diagram of database >links. This was a large company and had a couple >of hundred databases spread around the country. Nobody had one. Don't >you guys use UML or data models >No that is passe, I was told. Each DBA seemed to run his own fiefdom. I >finally got one of the older hands to sketch me out a map on the backs >of beer coasters. >Transfered that to Visio then to System Architect. About a week later >the CIO got a copy of my basic diagrams >and demanded a fully fleshed out one, he had been looking for one for a >couple of years. > > >Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > > > >>>Developers know that no technology will take them >>>to the promised land that has been promised many times >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Steve, >> >>I believe the sentence above will become false in another 50-100 years >>:) >> >>Not in my lifetime probably :( >> >>OOP&D, software design patterns, UML and UML-based software design & >>development methodologies and practices, agile and extreme programming, >>managed code (like C# & VB.NET, managed C++), effective risk, team & >>project management... - all these are promising, really useful and >>therefore solid foundation to get the road to the promised land built >>somewhere in not that far from today future.... >> >>Shamil >>-- >>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Steve Erbach" <erbachs at gmail.com> >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:02 PM >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] C++ to vb.net conversion >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Shamil, >>> >>>I visited your home page and was struck by the quote there. It >>>reminded me of something I'd seen in InfoWorld a few years ago written >>>by a former programmer: >>> >>>"If art is making order out of chaos, then software developers are >>>artists at the highest level. Sure, you will hear about advances that >>>promise to make the life of the software developer easier -- >>>object-oriented programming, integrated development environments, and >>>now Web services -- but walk into any development shop and the >>>developers stare intently into their monitors, facing conundrum after >>>conundrum, but still fighting the machine and bending it to their >>>will. Developers know that no technology will take them to the >>>promised land that has been promised many times, but faith in his or >>>her ability to conquer the machine drives the sometimes Sisyphean >>>task." >>> >>>I'm sorry, I don't have the name of the programmer. >>> >>>Steve Erbach >>>Neenah, WI >>>USA >>> >>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:08:00 +0300, Shamil Salakhetdinov >>><shamil at users.mns.ru> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>Unfortunately in HANGS ON my VS.NET 2003 IDE. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>It was one of the Add-ins I did download and install, which was >>>>hanging VS.NET 2003. It works OK now after I removed this add-in... >>>> >>>>So, I think this wrapper is useful... >>>> >>>>Shamil >>>>-- >>>>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada