Hans-Christian Andersen
hans.andersen at phulse.com
Tue Dec 10 17:47:27 CST 2013
Hm, granted, I do not run Linux as a desktop on a daily basis, but I’m pretty sure that on Ubuntu and OpenSuse (and others) usually the newly installed software goes into the application menu. I guess, if the package maintainer is careless, that may not happen. That’s a quality assurance issue, for sure. - Hans On Dec 10, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote: > Don't get me wrong, Hans. I can deal with the various distros and have the > scars to prove it. I meant my mother and your grandfather and their ilk. It > just pisses me off that following an installation of just about anything on > just about any Linux, none if any automatically create a symlink or > shortcut etc. on their menu systems or start-bar, leaving the average user > with the mystified question, "Ok, but where is it?" > > You and I and many people on this list know how to handle this, but unless > my mom and your grandfather also know, my point stands, IMO. > > A. > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen < > hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > >> >> I wouldn’t classify that as an issue with Linux, but with MySQL (or >> whatever software it is you have frustrations with). You wouldn’t blame the >> OS for the software that was designed not to be user-friendly, right? >> >> The same can be true for Windows as well. The 3 step process (backup, >> uninstall, reinstall) for Windows works in same cases, but, in my >> experience, it often doesn’t because you have additional layers of >> complexity under the hood (ie. the registry, dll’s, local settings, etc). >> Poorly designed Windows software can end up (and often do) requiring a >> longer process to fix the software. >> >> Saying that, most Linux distros were not designed for IT people of the >> Windows flavour, who prefer a GUI over the command line. Some of them are >> though. You might want to take a look at OpenSuse, for instance. It is more >> user-friendly with lots of GUI tools to help you administer your server and >> software. >> >> Personally, I don’t like that. In my opinion, the command line (bash, zsh, >> etc) trumps a GUI any day (which, I’m guessing, is why Microsoft introduced >> Powershell, because they saw that need). >> >> - Hans >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 10, 2013, at 2:22 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The following link describes how to uninstall and then re-install a >>> corrupted version of MySQL 5.x on Linux. >>> >>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-completely-reinstall-mysql-server/ >>> >>> Compare that to the Windows 3-step: >>> 1. Back up the data directory. >>> 2. Un-install the program. >>> 3. Install the program >>> >>> Or even worse, the 1-click recovery, as in Office or SQL Server or >> numerous >>> other programs: >>> 1. Repair. >>> >>> This article is an excellent summary of why Windows continues to win the >>> battle for the desktop. As soon as something goes wrong, the Linux user >> is >>> off into the frightening world of the command line -- and not once, not >>> twice, but several times. >>> >>> The very least that vendors could do is add an icon to the desktop or the >>> menu. But apparently, that is stooping too low. As long as that situation >>> persists, Linux will never win the desktop, despite the admirable efforts >>> of the Ubuntu and Mint etc. boys. They are writing for the Highest Common >>> Denominator. Bill and Steve chose instead to write for the Lowest Common >>> Denominator. >>> >>> I run them side by side almost always, and can see obvious advantages to >>> Linux, when everything goes well, but even then, could the vendors not >>> possibly supply an addition to the desktop that leads to >> Uninstall/Repair? >>> Talk about Shooting Yourself in the Foot! Maybe the real hurdle to >> surmount >>> is their collective refusal to recognize that Windows and Apple make it >> so >>> much simpler? >>> -- >>> Arthur >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com