Hans-Christian Andersen
hans.andersen at phulse.com
Tue Feb 5 11:24:22 CST 2013
Aye. Agreed. Working with web applications, more often than not, the database is the heart of the application. Also, sometimes requirements may change (this is the reality of life and business), so you can't have all your data structures perfectly set up off the bat. Which is why most modern web applications have middleware to handle database migrations. Rails and Django handle this very well out of the box. I would not work without it again. - Hans On 2013-02-05, at 3:50 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote: > Hi Stuart > > Yes, never heard of this "award winning author" probably for a reason. > It sounds like he didn't understand data and relations and never intended to > do - which is why he was substituted back then. > > Of course, he is right that the data is not the application, but whos says > so? > > It would be more interesting to learn what Shamil is doing with No SQL ... > > /gustav > > PS: I do remember my first meeting with American beer back in the 80's. It > was a Miller Light. It was a .. eh, miss words, eh .. surprise. I believe it > has changed a lot since then. > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] På vegne af Stuart McLachlan > Sendt: 5. februar 2013 12:01 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] “Depend on me, and I’ll set you free!” > > Rant is the word all right. > > There are so many things wrong with his arguments that I don't know where to > begin. But a few immediate points: > > He clearly can't tell the difference between "relational database" and > "SQL". > He thinks that a database engine which uses BTree indexing can't be > "relational" (He obviously never worked with Dataflex) > > His characterisation of all databases as "big, stogy, slow, expensive pain > in the rear." > demonstrates a clear lack of experience in using them. > > How the h*ll can you develop and *test* the use cases and business rules > without the underlying data? > > The data model IS the core of any real world bsiness system. > > It's tragic that "an award winning author, renowned speaker, and über > software geek since 1970" has carried the same baggage around with him for > 40 odd years. > > -- > Stuart > > P.S. He was right about one thing though - American beer. Until recently it > was like sex in a canoe. > > > On 5 Feb 2013 at 13:52, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > >> Hi All -- >> >> It's funny I've just planned to try to implement one experimental >> project using "No DB" (NoSQL) approach - and here I have got an >> interesting "rant article" arrived :) >> >> http://blog.8thlight.com/uncle-bob/2012/05/15/NODB.html >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com