Mike Mattys
mmattys at rochester.rr.com
Tue Mar 17 16:01:46 CDT 2009
Hmm, Python. Heard a lot, never tried. I'll have to download it and see if it runs. - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru> To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning Game... > > Thank you SCRUM team, let's wait for Doug estimatiion to arrive. > > Meanwhile shoudlnt' we try to select distributed source control system? - > Here are two candidates: > > 1. BAZAAR > > http://bazaar-vcs.org/ and https://launchpad.net/ > > and > > 2. CODEPLEX > > http://www.codeplex.com/ > > I must say I didn't use nor the first nor the second. > > Shouldn't we try BAZAAR via Launchpad first of all? Bazaar/Lanchpad seems > to be a really lightweight yet powerful source control system. > > Shouldn't we just create a project in Launchpad (https://launchpad.net/) > and to put some files in it and just try to check-out/edit/check-in them > distributed way and see what happens - just plain test text files? > > Please propose other options to consider for distributed source control. > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Mike Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com> > To: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>,"Discussion concerning Visual > Basic and related programming issues." <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:57:12 -0400 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning > Game... > >> I agree also - and thanks for thinking it through. >> >> I was beginning to think the only place cannonballers would >> see me would be at the bottom of the pool! >> >> - >> Michael R Mattys >> MapPoint and Database Dev >> www.mattysconsulting.com >> - >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru> >> To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." >> <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning >> Game... >> >> >> > >> > Hi SCRUM team at all, >> > >> > I have got ProductBacklog items estimations from Mike, Gustav, John and >> > myself. >> > >> > I'm waiting for estimations to come from Doug. He has just informed me >> > he >> > has important private events today, and it may happen he will not have >> > time to make his estimations. >> > >> > What we can do now? I'd propose to wait for Doug's estimations to come, >> > and meanwhile start constructive discussion how we can get this project >> > developed in context when we have different .NET experience but taking >> > into account that most of the work to do is simple for experienced >> > developers(whatever modern developmen tools they use) mainly design and >> > almost no coding work. At least it looks so from here (as shown in some >> > samples I have posted already on MS Live dba-VB Group's SkyDrive). >> > >> > I'd expect that adding some simple introductory tutorials consisting >> > mainly from screenshots we should be able to get the team members >> > beginning their .NET development practice skilled enough to develop any >> > NorthWind .NET form or report... >> > >> > I suppose we plan develop *not* "industry strong" .NET application in >> > this >> > project but a sample .NET Winform desktop application. When that done >> > we >> > can go further... where? we will decide as we proceed... >> > >> > When I will get estimations from Doug I plan to post all of our >> > estimations here - is that OK with you? >> > I must say the current estimations do differ considerably therefore >> > there >> > is some work to do in coordinating them. >> > In SCRUM four hours are usually spent for the ProductBackLog initial >> > planning: I'd propose to "spread" these four hours within this week >> > discussion IOW no still real C# development within this week but >> > discussing ProductBacklog and planning first SCRUM Sprint and related >> > issues, and starting real development next Monday - OK? >> > >> > Thank you. >> > >> > -- >> > Shamil >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> >> > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming >> > issues."<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> >> > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:15:09 +0300 >> > Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning >> > Game... >> > >> >> >> >> Hi SCRUM team at all, >> >> >> >> I have got ProductBacklog items estimations from Mike. >> >> I have made mine over weekend. >> >> >> >> Waiting here for estimations from Gustav, Doug and John to come today >> >> then I will immediately post all of them here to start coordination of >> >> our estimations for everybody to get comfortable with them, and to >> >> present them after coordination to ProductOwner (Mark) to plan >> >> implementation/release... >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Shamil >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> >> >> To: dba-VB <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> >> >> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:21:13 +0300 >> >> Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning >> >> Game... >> >> >> >> > Hi SCRUM Team, >> >> > >> >> > Please estimate "ideal hours" to develop our first project product >> >> > backlog items using "SCRUM planning poker cards" with the following >> >> > values: >> >> > >> >> > 0, 1/2, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 20, ??? >> >> > >> >> > Please send your estimations to me (Shamil.Salakhetdinov AT >> >> > gmail.com) >> >> > to make here a common worksheet with all the estimations to use them >> >> > on >> >> > the next estimation round. >> >> > >> >> > Please do not post your estimations here on this first round to make >> >> > first round estimantions as independent as possible - >> >> > http://www.crisp.se/planningpoker/ >> >> > >> >> > Below is the list of BackLog items with some estimations I made - >> >> > just >> >> > as examples. Three question marks estimation means that it's unclear >> >> > how much time it will take to make that item implemented (Here it's >> >> > a >> >> > pivot form, which doesn't have built-in direct correspondence in >> >> > .NET >> >> > WinForms hence it's unclear what we will do here and how much time >> >> > this >> >> > work will take. If you know the answer - please make your more >> >> > definitive estimation for this item.) >> >> > >> >> > I made my below several estimations assuming we will use built-in >> >> > WinForms features as in samples I used previously. >> >> > >> >> > I have made my own estimation of all the items already - it looks >> >> > like >> >> > we should fit well 100 hours (20x5). >> >> > >> >> > Please ask your questions. >> >> > Please make your estimations. >> >> > >> >> > You can download workbook with BackLog items here: >> >> > >> >> > https://cid-000971dc34dc18c0.groups.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Documents/NorthWind.NET/SCRUM%7C_Planning%7C_Game.xls?ccr=365 >> >> > >> >> > or here: >> >> > >> >> > http://www1.atwiki.com/dba-vb/pages/5.html >> >> > (http://www1.atwiki.com/dba-vb?cmd=upload&act=open&pageid=5&file=SCRUM_Planning_Game.xls) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Thank you. >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Shamil >> >> > >> >> > P.S. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > FORMS >> >> > ===== >> >> > >> >> > 1 Categories >> >> > 2 Customer Labels Dialog => 1 >> >> > 3 Customer Orders >> >> > 4 Customer Orders Subform1 => 1 >> >> > 5 Customer Orders Subform2 >> >> > 6 Customer Phone List >> >> > 7 Customers => 2 >> >> > 8 Employees => 5 >> >> > 9 Main Switchboard >> >> > 10 Orders >> >> > 11 Orders Subform => 1 >> >> > 12 Product List >> >> > 13 Products >> >> > 14 Quarterly Orders >> >> > 15 Quarterly Orders Subform >> >> > 16 Sales Analysis => ??? >> >> > 17 Sales Analysis Subform1 => ??? >> >> > 18 Sales Analysis Subform2 => ??? >> >> > 19 Sales by Year Dialog >> >> > 20 Sales Reports Dialog >> >> > 21 Startup >> >> > 22 Suppliers >> >> > >> >> > REPORTS >> >> > ======= >> >> > 1 Alphabetical List of Products => 2 >> >> > 2 Catalog >> >> > 3 Catalog Subreport >> >> > 4 Customer Labels >> >> > 5 Employee Sales by Country >> >> > 6 Invoice => 5 >> >> > 7 Products by Category >> >> > 8 Sales by Category >> >> > 9 Sales by Category Subreport >> >> > 10 Sales by Year >> >> > 11 Sales by Year Subreport >> >> > 12 Sales Totals by Amount >> >> > 13 Summary of Sales by Quarter >> >> > 14 Summary of Sales by Year >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > dba-VB mailing list >> >> > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> >> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> dba-VB mailing list >> >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dba-VB mailing list >> > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com >