[dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning Game...

Mike Mattys mmattys at rochester.rr.com
Tue Mar 17 16:01:46 CDT 2009


Hmm, Python. Heard a lot, never tried.
I'll have to download it and see if it runs.

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Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." 
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning Game...


>
> Thank you SCRUM team, let's wait for Doug estimatiion to arrive.
>
> Meanwhile shoudlnt' we try to select distributed source control system? - 
> Here are two candidates:
>
> 1. BAZAAR
>
> http://bazaar-vcs.org/ and https://launchpad.net/
>
> and
>
> 2. CODEPLEX
>
> http://www.codeplex.com/
>
> I must say I didn't use nor the first nor the second.
>
> Shouldn't we try BAZAAR via Launchpad first of all? Bazaar/Lanchpad seems 
> to be a really lightweight yet powerful source control system.
>
> Shouldn't we just create a project in Launchpad (https://launchpad.net/) 
> and to put some files in it and just try to check-out/edit/check-in them 
> distributed way and see what happens - just plain test text files?
>
> Please propose other options to consider for distributed source control.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Mike Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
> To: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>,"Discussion concerning Visual 
> Basic and related programming issues." <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:57:12 -0400
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning 
> Game...
>
>> I agree also - and thanks for thinking it through.
>>
>> I was beginning to think the only place cannonballers would
>> see me would be at the bottom of the pool!
>>
>> -
>> Michael R Mattys
>> MapPoint and Database Dev
>> www.mattysconsulting.com
>> -
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
>> To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues."
>> <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning 
>> Game...
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Hi SCRUM team at all,
>> >
>> > I have got ProductBacklog items estimations from Mike, Gustav, John and
>> > myself.
>> >
>> > I'm waiting for estimations to come from Doug. He has just informed me 
>> > he
>> > has important private events today, and it may happen he will not have
>> > time to make his estimations.
>> >
>> > What we can do now? I'd propose to wait for Doug's estimations to come,
>> > and meanwhile start constructive discussion how we can get this project
>> > developed in context when we have different .NET experience but taking
>> > into account that most of the work to do is simple for experienced
>> > developers(whatever modern developmen tools they use) mainly design and
>> > almost no coding work. At least it looks so from here (as shown in some
>> > samples I have posted already on MS Live dba-VB Group's SkyDrive).
>> >
>> > I'd expect that adding some simple introductory tutorials consisting
>> > mainly from screenshots we should be able to get the team members
>> > beginning their .NET development practice skilled enough to develop any
>> > NorthWind .NET form or report...
>> >
>> > I suppose we plan develop *not* "industry strong" .NET application in 
>> > this
>> > project but a sample .NET Winform desktop application. When that done 
>> > we
>> > can go further... where? we will decide as we proceed...
>> >
>> > When I will get estimations from Doug I plan to post all of our
>> > estimations here - is that OK with you?
>> > I must say the current estimations do differ considerably therefore 
>> > there
>> > is some work to do in coordinating them.
>> > In SCRUM four hours are usually spent for the ProductBackLog initial
>> > planning: I'd propose to "spread" these four hours within this week
>> > discussion IOW no still real C# development within this week but
>> > discussing ProductBacklog and planning first SCRUM Sprint and related
>> > issues, and starting real development next Monday - OK?
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Shamil
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
>> > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming
>> > issues."<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
>> > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:15:09 +0300
>> > Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning
>> > Game...
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Hi SCRUM team at all,
>> >>
>> >> I have got ProductBacklog items estimations from Mike.
>> >> I have made mine over weekend.
>> >>
>> >> Waiting here for estimations from Gustav, Doug and John to come today
>> >> then I will immediately post all of them here to start coordination of
>> >> our estimations for everybody to get comfortable with them, and to
>> >> present them after coordination to ProductOwner (Mark) to plan
>> >> implementation/release...
>> >>
>> >> Thank you.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Shamil
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
>> >> To: dba-VB <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
>> >> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:21:13 +0300
>> >> Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning 
>> >> Game...
>> >>
>> >> > Hi SCRUM Team,
>> >> >
>> >> > Please estimate "ideal hours" to develop our first project product
>> >> > backlog items using "SCRUM planning poker cards" with the following
>> >> > values:
>> >> >
>> >> > 0, 1/2, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 20, ???
>> >> >
>> >> > Please send your estimations to me (Shamil.Salakhetdinov AT 
>> >> > gmail.com)
>> >> > to make here a common worksheet with all the estimations to use them 
>> >> > on
>> >> > the next estimation round.
>> >> >
>> >> > Please do not post your estimations here on this first round to make
>> >> > first round estimantions as independent as possible -
>> >> > http://www.crisp.se/planningpoker/
>> >> >
>> >> > Below is the list of BackLog items with some estimations I made - 
>> >> > just
>> >> > as examples. Three question marks estimation means that it's unclear
>> >> > how much time it will take to make that item implemented (Here it's 
>> >> > a
>> >> > pivot form, which doesn't have built-in direct correspondence in 
>> >> > .NET
>> >> > WinForms hence it's unclear what we will do here and how much time 
>> >> > this
>> >> > work will take. If you know the answer - please make your more
>> >> > definitive estimation for this item.)
>> >> >
>> >> > I made my below several estimations assuming we will use built-in
>> >> > WinForms features as in samples I used previously.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have made my own estimation of all the items already - it looks 
>> >> > like
>> >> > we should fit well 100 hours (20x5).
>> >> >
>> >> > Please ask your questions.
>> >> > Please make your estimations.
>> >> >
>> >> > You can download workbook with BackLog items here:
>> >> >
>> >> > https://cid-000971dc34dc18c0.groups.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Documents/NorthWind.NET/SCRUM%7C_Planning%7C_Game.xls?ccr=365
>> >> >
>> >> > or here:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www1.atwiki.com/dba-vb/pages/5.html
>> >> > (http://www1.atwiki.com/dba-vb?cmd=upload&act=open&pageid=5&file=SCRUM_Planning_Game.xls)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Shamil
>> >> >
>> >> > P.S.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > FORMS
>> >> > =====
>> >> >
>> >> > 1 Categories
>> >> > 2 Customer Labels Dialog => 1
>> >> > 3 Customer Orders
>> >> > 4 Customer Orders Subform1 => 1
>> >> > 5 Customer Orders Subform2
>> >> > 6 Customer Phone List
>> >> > 7 Customers => 2
>> >> > 8 Employees => 5
>> >> > 9 Main Switchboard
>> >> > 10 Orders
>> >> > 11 Orders Subform => 1
>> >> > 12 Product List
>> >> > 13 Products
>> >> > 14 Quarterly Orders
>> >> > 15 Quarterly Orders Subform
>> >> > 16 Sales Analysis => ???
>> >> > 17 Sales Analysis Subform1 => ???
>> >> > 18 Sales Analysis Subform2 => ???
>> >> > 19 Sales by Year Dialog
>> >> > 20 Sales Reports Dialog
>> >> > 21 Startup
>> >> > 22 Suppliers
>> >> >
>> >> > REPORTS
>> >> > =======
>> >> > 1 Alphabetical List of Products => 2
>> >> > 2 Catalog
>> >> > 3 Catalog Subreport
>> >> > 4 Customer Labels
>> >> > 5 Employee Sales by Country
>> >> > 6 Invoice => 5
>> >> > 7 Products by Category
>> >> > 8 Sales by Category
>> >> > 9 Sales by Category Subreport
>> >> > 10 Sales by Year
>> >> > 11 Sales by Year Subreport
>> >> > 12 Sales Totals by Amount
>> >> > 13 Summary of Sales by Quarter
>> >> > 14 Summary of Sales by Year
>> >> >
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