Salakhetdinov Shamil
mcp2004 at mail.ru
Tue Mar 17 17:19:08 CDT 2009
Hi Mike and SCRUM team, If BAZAAR needs Python interpreter I'd not use it (at least now as we all need to learn a lot of new stuff) - on first glance I understood BAZZAR can be used locally by running command line utilites but for those utilities simple batch files should be possible to create (e.g. I used CVS this way), and if used via Lauchpad then somehow via web interface with upload/download and again coordinate locally using command line utils via .bat files... Let's not tie ourselves with Python if BAZAAR needs it? Although if Python interpreter and Bazaar installation is as simple as unzipping some files and setting some runtime environment variables then why not try to use them? Source control is desirable as it sets some boundaries to keep code well organized but in fact I suppose we can work without any source control system for this first project as there shoudln't be that much source files in it to share... Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Mike Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com> To: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>,"Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:01:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning Game... > Hmm, Python. Heard a lot, never tried. > I'll have to download it and see if it runs. > > - > Michael R Mattys > MapPoint and Database Dev > www.mattysconsulting.com > - > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru> > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." > <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning Game... > > > > > > Thank you SCRUM team, let's wait for Doug estimatiion to arrive. > > > > Meanwhile shoudlnt' we try to select distributed source control system? - > > Here are two candidates: > > > > 1. BAZAAR > > > > http://bazaar-vcs.org/ and https://launchpad.net/ > > > > and > > > > 2. CODEPLEX > > > > http://www.codeplex.com/ > > > > I must say I didn't use nor the first nor the second. > > > > Shouldn't we try BAZAAR via Launchpad first of all? Bazaar/Lanchpad seems > > to be a really lightweight yet powerful source control system. > > > > Shouldn't we just create a project in Launchpad (https://launchpad.net/) > > and to put some files in it and just try to check-out/edit/check-in them > > distributed way and see what happens - just plain test text files? > > > > Please propose other options to consider for distributed source control. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Mike Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com> > > To: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>,"Discussion concerning Visual > > Basic and related programming issues." <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> > > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:57:12 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning > > Game... > > > >> I agree also - and thanks for thinking it through. > >> > >> I was beginning to think the only place cannonballers would > >> see me would be at the bottom of the pool! > >> > >> - > >> Michael R Mattys > >> MapPoint and Database Dev > >> www.mattysconsulting.com > >> - > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru> > >> To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." > >> <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:02 PM > >> Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning > >> Game... > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Hi SCRUM team at all, > >> > > >> > I have got ProductBacklog items estimations from Mike, Gustav, John and > >> > myself. > >> > > >> > I'm waiting for estimations to come from Doug. He has just informed me > >> > he > >> > has important private events today, and it may happen he will not have > >> > time to make his estimations. > >> > > >> > What we can do now? I'd propose to wait for Doug's estimations to come, > >> > and meanwhile start constructive discussion how we can get this project > >> > developed in context when we have different .NET experience but taking > >> > into account that most of the work to do is simple for experienced > >> > developers(whatever modern developmen tools they use) mainly design and > >> > almost no coding work. At least it looks so from here (as shown in some > >> > samples I have posted already on MS Live dba-VB Group's SkyDrive). > >> > > >> > I'd expect that adding some simple introductory tutorials consisting > >> > mainly from screenshots we should be able to get the team members > >> > beginning their .NET development practice skilled enough to develop any > >> > NorthWind .NET form or report... > >> > > >> > I suppose we plan develop *not* "industry strong" .NET application in > >> > this > >> > project but a sample .NET Winform desktop application. When that done > >> > we > >> > can go further... where? we will decide as we proceed... > >> > > >> > When I will get estimations from Doug I plan to post all of our > >> > estimations here - is that OK with you? > >> > I must say the current estimations do differ considerably therefore > >> > there > >> > is some work to do in coordinating them. > >> > In SCRUM four hours are usually spent for the ProductBackLog initial > >> > planning: I'd propose to "spread" these four hours within this week > >> > discussion IOW no still real C# development within this week but > >> > discussing ProductBacklog and planning first SCRUM Sprint and related > >> > issues, and starting real development next Monday - OK? > >> > > >> > Thank you. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Shamil > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> > >> > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > >> > issues."<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> > >> > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:15:09 +0300 > >> > Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning > >> > Game... > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Hi SCRUM team at all, > >> >> > >> >> I have got ProductBacklog items estimations from Mike. > >> >> I have made mine over weekend. > >> >> > >> >> Waiting here for estimations from Gustav, Doug and John to come today > >> >> then I will immediately post all of them here to start coordination of > >> >> our estimations for everybody to get comfortable with them, and to > >> >> present them after coordination to ProductOwner (Mark) to plan > >> >> implementation/release... > >> >> > >> >> Thank you. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Shamil > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> > >> >> To: dba-VB <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> > >> >> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:21:13 +0300 > >> >> Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning > >> >> Game... > >> >> > >> >> > Hi SCRUM Team, > >> >> > > >> >> > Please estimate "ideal hours" to develop our first project product > >> >> > backlog items using "SCRUM planning poker cards" with the following > >> >> > values: > >> >> > > >> >> > 0, 1/2, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 20, ??? > >> >> > > >> >> > Please send your estimations to me (Shamil.Salakhetdinov AT > >> >> > gmail.com) > >> >> > to make here a common worksheet with all the estimations to use them > >> >> > on > >> >> > the next estimation round. > >> >> > > >> >> > Please do not post your estimations here on this first round to make > >> >> > first round estimantions as independent as possible - > >> >> > http://www.crisp.se/planningpoker/ > >> >> > > >> >> > Below is the list of BackLog items with some estimations I made - > >> >> > just > >> >> > as examples. Three question marks estimation means that it's unclear > >> >> > how much time it will take to make that item implemented (Here it's > >> >> > a > >> >> > pivot form, which doesn't have built-in direct correspondence in > >> >> > .NET > >> >> > WinForms hence it's unclear what we will do here and how much time > >> >> > this > >> >> > work will take. If you know the answer - please make your more > >> >> > definitive estimation for this item.) > >> >> > > >> >> > I made my below several estimations assuming we will use built-in > >> >> > WinForms features as in samples I used previously. > >> >> > > >> >> > I have made my own estimation of all the items already - it looks > >> >> > like > >> >> > we should fit well 100 hours (20x5). > >> >> > > >> >> > Please ask your questions. > >> >> > Please make your estimations. > >> >> > > >> >> > You can download workbook with BackLog items here: > >> >> > > >> >> > https://cid-000971dc34dc18c0.groups.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Documents/NorthWind.NET/SCRUM%7C_Planning%7C_Game.xls?ccr=365 > >> >> > > >> >> > or here: > >> >> > > >> >> > http://www1.atwiki.com/dba-vb/pages/5.html > >> >> > (http://www1.atwiki.com/dba-vb?cmd=upload&act=open&pageid=5&file=SCRUM_Planning_Game.xls) > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Thank you. > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Shamil > >> >> > > >> >> > P.S. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > FORMS > >> >> > ===== > >> >> > > >> >> > 1 Categories > >> >> > 2 Customer Labels Dialog => 1 > >> >> > 3 Customer Orders > >> >> > 4 Customer Orders Subform1 => 1 > >> >> > 5 Customer Orders Subform2 > >> >> > 6 Customer Phone List > >> >> > 7 Customers => 2 > >> >> > 8 Employees => 5 > >> >> > 9 Main Switchboard > >> >> > 10 Orders > >> >> > 11 Orders Subform => 1 > >> >> > 12 Product List > >> >> > 13 Products > >> >> > 14 Quarterly Orders > >> >> > 15 Quarterly Orders Subform > >> >> > 16 Sales Analysis => ??? > >> >> > 17 Sales Analysis Subform1 => ??? > >> >> > 18 Sales Analysis Subform2 => ??? > >> >> > 19 Sales by Year Dialog > >> >> > 20 Sales Reports Dialog > >> >> > 21 Startup > >> >> > 22 Suppliers > >> >> > > >> >> > REPORTS > >> >> > ======= > >> >> > 1 Alphabetical List of Products => 2 > >> >> > 2 Catalog > >> >> > 3 Catalog Subreport > >> >> > 4 Customer Labels > >> >> > 5 Employee Sales by Country > >> >> > 6 Invoice => 5 > >> >> > 7 Products by Category > >> >> > 8 Sales by Category > >> >> > 9 Sales by Category Subreport > >> >> > 10 Sales by Year > >> >> > 11 Sales by Year Subreport > >> >> > 12 Sales Totals by Amount > >> >> > 13 Summary of Sales by Quarter > >> >> > 14 Summary of Sales by Year > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > dba-VB mailing list > >> >> > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >> >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >> >> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> dba-VB mailing list > >> >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >> >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> >> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > dba-VB mailing list > >> > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >